best filter to use for growls?

[chemicallyinclined]

ya anything that is midrange and sounds dirty im goin for. Massive + WOW filter will literally make me a whole new producer, cause as of now im stuck with the premium patches that came with my software. no vowel sounds, i can only make wubs and weak roars. and im not even trying to mess with shitty free vsts, id rather wait until i have the cash.

There are so many things wrong with what you said right here.
I wish you luck because you will need it with your shitty mentality.

haha thats because you assume Im a fucking noob. I want Massive so I can make my own library of sounds, not so I can use the presets.

[Kes-Es]

No I don't assume you're a noob, I assume that anybody who wants a certain program to make a certain sound, one, doesn't know much about sound design, and two, is working off the mentality that a noob could play a PRS better than he could play an ibanez geo, the equipment doesnt matter. If you're working in a modern daw you have all the tools you need and would be much better off learning to use them before buying a synth everyone else uses to make sounds everyone else makes.

[chemicallyinclined]

EQs. Boosting and cutting a particular frequency along with the movement of the sound is the best for growling.

perfect, thank you

[Huts]

EQs. Boosting and cutting a particular frequency along with the movement of the sound is the best for growling.

Pretty standard for any sound really. Just try out filters and see what works, they all have they're place. Chances are you're going to get your best results as a combination of more than one filter anyway. Massive + WOW filter is going to make you sound like 90% of the people making growls (i.e pretty shit), because you're all after simplest way to go about trying to get results. You do realize that everything massive and WOW filter offer can be done without them right? You can mimic WOW filter with your standard filter/EQ with the added bonus of more control. You're sounds going to be so mangled by post processing that it won't matter whether your detuned saws came from massive/albino/sylenth/freeware or a recording of a pencil sharpener.

[chemicallyinclined]

No I don't assume you're a noob, I assume that anybody who wants a certain program to make a certain sound, one, doesn't know much about sound design, and two, is working off the mentality that a noob could play a PRS better than he could play an ibanez geo, the equipment doesnt matter. If you're working in a modern daw you have all the tools you need and would be much better off learning to use them before buying a synth everyone else uses to make sounds everyone else makes.

I see where you're coming from but Massive is still an incredible vst whether hundreds of people use it or not. I know there are others, and you should recommend me some if you know of any. the bass synths I have right now arent even close to what Massive can produce. the only reason I want Massive is so I can learn it, and NOT make the other sounds people make. I fucking hate it when I see topics like 'how to make KTN bass' or shit like that I totally feel you. i wouldnt ever become an artist to make music that sounds just like so-and-so. that would defeat the purpose of being called an artist. ive downloaded shitty free vsts just to learn FM synthesis so when I do get Massive I kind of know what to do.

[chemicallyinclined]

EQs. Boosting and cutting a particular frequency along with the movement of the sound is the best for growling.

Pretty standard for any sound really. Just try out filters and see what works, they all have they're place. Chances are you're going to get your best results as a combination of more than one filter anyway. Massive + WOW filter is going to make you sound like 90% of the people making growls (i.e pretty shit), because you're all after simplest way to go about trying to get results. You do realize that everything massive and WOW filter offer can be done without them right? You can mimic WOW filter with your standard filter/EQ with the added bonus of more control. You're sounds going to be so mangled by post processing that it won't matter whether your detuned saws came from massive/albino/sylenth/freeware or a recording of a pencil sharpener.

well this is good to learn then. trust me I dont want the 'easy-way' out of producing, this is why I asked. I will go watch tutorials on this. I assume to get those vowel sounds its modulation of the EQ right? ill go search for it on youtube..

[Kes-Es]

No I don't assume you're a noob, I assume that anybody who wants a certain program to make a certain sound, one, doesn't know much about sound design, and two, is working off the mentality that a noob could play a PRS better than he could play an ibanez geo, the equipment doesnt matter. If you're working in a modern daw you have all the tools you need and would be much better off learning to use them before buying a synth everyone else uses to make sounds everyone else makes.

I see where you're coming from but Massive is still an incredible vst whether hundreds of people use it or not. I know there are others, and you should recommend me some if you know of any. the bass synths I have right now arent even close to what Massive can produce. the only reason I want Massive is so I can learn it, and NOT make the other sounds people make. I fucking hate it when I see topics like 'how to make KTN bass' or shit like that I totally feel you. i wouldnt ever become an artist to make music that sounds just like so-and-so. that would defeat the purpose of being called an artist. ive downloaded shitty free vsts just to learn FM synthesis so when I do get Massive I kind of know what to do.

I personally recommend Albino but the learning curve is steep, I don't use effects VSTs or anything and it's one of the few synths I personally have been able to get great results in but I have also been working in it for around three years.
My point isn't that it's overused, that doesn't matter, it's the consumer mentality that one product is more useful than another when in fact it depends on you as the user.

[Brothulhu]

ive downloaded shitty free vsts just to learn FM synthesis so when I do get Massive I kind of know what to do.

You probably should read into massive and find out it isn't an FM synth then

[chemicallyinclined]

No I don't assume you're a noob, I assume that anybody who wants a certain program to make a certain sound, one, doesn't know much about sound design, and two, is working off the mentality that a noob could play a PRS better than he could play an ibanez geo, the equipment doesnt matter. If you're working in a modern daw you have all the tools you need and would be much better off learning to use them before buying a synth everyone else uses to make sounds everyone else makes.

I see where you're coming from but Massive is still an incredible vst whether hundreds of people use it or not. I know there are others, and you should recommend me some if you know of any. the bass synths I have right now arent even close to what Massive can produce. the only reason I want Massive is so I can learn it, and NOT make the other sounds people make. I fucking hate it when I see topics like 'how to make KTN bass' or shit like that I totally feel you. i wouldnt ever become an artist to make music that sounds just like so-and-so. that would defeat the purpose of being called an artist. ive downloaded shitty free vsts just to learn FM synthesis so when I do get Massive I kind of know what to do.

I personally recommend Albino but the learning curve is steep, I don't use effects VSTs or anything and it's one of the few synths I personally have been able to get great results in but I have also been working in it for around three years.
My point isn't that it's overused, that doesn't matter, it's the consumer mentality that one product is more useful than another when in fact it depends on you as the user.

the consumer mentality has ruined the entire world in general lol. I've heard of Albino before and ive heard good things, so ill look into that. thanks man

[chemicallyinclined]

ive downloaded shitty free vsts just to learn FM synthesis so when I do get Massive I kind of know what to do.

You probably should read into massive and find out it isn't an FM synth then

oh. now i feel dumb

[Genevieve]

EQs. Boosting and cutting a particular frequency along with the movement of the sound is the best for growling.

Pretty standard for any sound really. Just try out filters and see what works, they all have they're place. Chances are you're going to get your best results as a combination of more than one filter anyway. Massive + WOW filter is going to make you sound like 90% of the people making growls (i.e pretty shit), because you're all after simplest way to go about trying to get results. You do realize that everything massive and WOW filter offer can be done without them right? You can mimic WOW filter with your standard filter/EQ with the added bonus of more control. You're sounds going to be so mangled by post processing that it won't matter whether your detuned saws came from massive/albino/sylenth/freeware or a recording of a pencil sharpener.

well this is good to learn then. trust me I dont want the 'easy-way' out of producing, this is why I asked. I will go watch tutorials on this. I assume to get those vowel sounds its modulation of the EQ right? ill go search for it on youtube..

You get closest by modulating the pitch (pretty drastically) on detuned waveforms and have some narrow notches moving around in the mids with an LFO or automating or whatever. If it isn't (weakly) growling already, it will be when you just mess around with the gain of an EQ on a 'sweetspot' frequency somewhere in that sound.

Just automate things. Wetness of a bitchrusher or distortion. Anything.

Instant gratification ruins something like this. It does with me anyway, when I don't get osmething sounding like I want in 5 minutes I get pissed. So.. don't do that haha.

[Huts]

Someone posted a chart a while back that showed which peaks in the EQ to modulate to get certain vowels. I also watched some feed me thing where he mentioned combining pitch changes with filter movements to help with that talky sound.

Maybe I'm weird in this respect, but try approaching these sounds from a different angle. Make a growl with your mouth and figure out what your voice is doing and try to mimic it within your DAW. I think figuring out why you are doing certain things (EQ sweeps, filter modulation) will go a lot further than just doing it because a tutorial said so

[Dirty Dave]

the filters built into "blue" are badass. i like resampling my patches and loading my sounds into "alchemy" its got awesome filters and ridiculous modulation options with envelopes and lfos. seriously try alchemy.

[Gravehill]

i wouldn't use camelphat though, i think it sounds super digital, i would rather use just a simple filter, a free one like Crayon filter. Google it, it does the trick for me ( distance uses it in a tutorial ), just mess around with the filters and automate the cutoff, gives you some serious movement.

Camelphat has distortion and a great flanger, not just filters.

Best filter ive ever used is tone2 bifilter, especially the band-pass.
sugarbytes wow would be good for you as well

[Gravehill]

No I don't assume you're a noob, I assume that anybody who wants a certain program to make a certain sound, one, doesn't know much about sound design, and two, is working off the mentality that a noob could play a PRS better than he could play an ibanez geo, the equipment doesnt matter. If you're working in a modern daw you have all the tools you need and would be much better off learning to use them before buying a synth everyone else uses to make sounds everyone else makes.

Thats a weird analogy considering a noob absolutely could play a prs better than a geo. Budget guitars are the biggest reason that students end up getting frustrated and not pursuing the instrument.

[Kes-Es]

No I don't assume you're a noob, I assume that anybody who wants a certain program to make a certain sound, one, doesn't know much about sound design, and two, is working off the mentality that a noob could play a PRS better than he could play an ibanez geo, the equipment doesnt matter. If you're working in a modern daw you have all the tools you need and would be much better off learning to use them before buying a synth everyone else uses to make sounds everyone else makes.

Thats a weird analogy considering a noob absolutely could play a prs better than a geo. Budget guitars are the biggest reason that students end up getting frustrated and not pursuing the instrument.

That isn't a weird analogy because it's not going to make a bad musician a good musician, just like a nice camera doesn't make someone a talented photographer, that's what I'm talking about, the idea that the equipment will somehow magically make you good at something.

[claudedefaren]

Wow I can't believe nobody recommended Volcano 2. Make some slick growls with that thing. Parallel filtering + panning = dope. Used it for a few of the growls in Dear Friend

[Brothulhu]

I saw a tutorial recently where a guy wanted to make a certain vowel movement on a growl so he took a spectrum analyser and made the vowel noise he wanted into it with his voice then copied the peaks and dips into an EQ and automated it. It sounded exactly how he wanted it to

[Kes-Es]

I saw a tutorial recently where a guy wanted to make a certain vowel movement on a growl so he took a spectrum analyser and made the vowel noise he wanted into it with his voice then copied the peaks and dips into an EQ and automated it. It sounded exactly how he wanted it to

Sounds reasonable. I personally just use the envelope knobs because it's something I know how to do well, and then tweak from there, I've automated EQs for neurobass and whatnot but I am more of a tinkerer.

[Aufnahmewindwuschel]

just throw a bass note and a gorilla or whatever in a sampler put both on glide voila