Filters, Filters, filters

[Genevieve]

A nice trick with Pro-Q is having a DAW's input that you can assign to various parameters, but with different scaling. So when you start up pro-q, you can make a bunch of notches and have their position modulated by that single input, BUT also route that input to their Q. Move it back and forth and voila, your own little comb filter. Add some l/r wickedness to taste.

It's mad easy with Renoise's hydra device but other DAWs might have their own native version of that.

[Coolschmid]

edited nvm

[R3b_Official]

@Genevieve Woah woah there. I kinda got lost half way reading that. So you can send your out straight into pro q? Sorry but im kinda lost what that ment there ^

[Genevieve]

Haha, a single modulating source (envelope, LFO, etc) that modulates multiple inputs at once, but with the ability to add custom scaling options per parameter, so they all move in slightly different speeds. Isn't that possible in other DAWs? :0

Basically one automation envelope that controls multiple EQ bands and using that same envelope to control the Q of those bands as well. Except with different scaling/starting positions for the bands/Q. So when the envelope moves up and down, you create movement within the EQ.

Wish I could make a video of that. It's similar to BiFilter's comb filter except more flexible.

[R3b_Official]

ohhhh alright i understand it now. Thanks and a video would pretty helpful also

[titchbit]

You're basically talking about a macro, right genevieve? I don't have Pro Q, but from what you're saying, it sounds like you're talking about a macro control.

OP is using ableton. You can assign macro controls to multiple parameters in ableton. I don't have Pro Q so I'm not positive it would work, but I don't see why it wouldn't.

However, you can only sort of do this with EQ8. You can do it with the q, but not the frequency, as far as I can tell. Drag an instance of EQ8 into the audio effect area of a track, and then click on it and click command + G to group it into an audio effect rack. Now you can use macros. Turn on all 8 (or however many you want) filters, and then turn them all into notches. Then right click on the Q for each filter and map it to macro 1 or whichever macro you want. Do that for each filter, and then that macro knob will control the Q of all of the filters.

Except with different scaling/starting positions for the bands/Q. So when the envelope moves up and down, you create movement within the EQ.

This is the part you can't do. If you try to assign all of the frequencies to a single macro knob, then they will all be at the same frequency. There might be another way to do it where they have different starting positions, but I am not aware of one.

[Coolschmid]

This is the part you can't do. If you try to assign all of the frequencies to a single macro knob, then they will all be at the same frequency. There might be another way to do it where they have different starting positions, but I am not aware of one.

nah dig I have done this exactly in ableton

you can map all the bands to one knob, when you hit map mode the side browser turns to this nifty window where you can set the 0 and 100 values for each individual thing linked to the knob, the start and end effectively.

[titchbit]

This is the part you can't do. If you try to assign all of the frequencies to a single macro knob, then they will all be at the same frequency. There might be another way to do it where they have different starting positions, but I am not aware of one.

nah dig I have done this exactly in ableton

you can map all the bands to one knob, when you hit map mode the side browser turns to this nifty window where you can set the 0 and 100 values for each individual thing linked to the knob, the start and end effectively.

ahhh so that's what that whole thing is all about...

thanks

[Brothulhu]

This is the part you can't do. If you try to assign all of the frequencies to a single macro knob, then they will all be at the same frequency. There might be another way to do it where they have different starting positions, but I am not aware of one.

nah dig I have done this exactly in ableton

you can map all the bands to one knob, when you hit map mode the side browser turns to this nifty window where you can set the 0 and 100 values for each individual thing linked to the knob, the start and end effectively.

I wish FL's Control Surface could do this -.- You can do it with automation clips but not knobs

[R3b_Official]

This is the part you can't do. If you try to assign all of the frequencies to a single macro knob, then they will all be at the same frequency. There might be another way to do it where they have different starting positions, but I am not aware of one.

nah dig I have done this exactly in ableton

you can map all the bands to one knob, when you hit map mode the side browser turns to this nifty window where you can set the 0 and 100 values for each individual thing linked to the knob, the start and end effectively.

I wish FL's Control Surface could do this -.- You can do it with automation clips but not knobs

Thats such a pain but Fl has some other good things like its automation!



But yea @dubunked i undestand macros and such but its when you try to put different stuff at different peaks and notches you can get some nice sounds. But its when you modulate them with that one macro is when it goes too shit. I guess you could do it in Eq8 but i dont think its as versatile as Pro q.

[Brothulhu]

Thats such a pain but Fl has some other good things like its automation!

I get round it by making multiple Knobs and limiting the automation clips but it's still a pain

[Genevieve]

Ah yeah macros could probably do it. That's why I linked to the hydra, I'm completely used to Renoise's methodology haha. Hope y'all got some decent results trying that trick. It's combing but slightly different from the other comb filters I've tried. And it's really just a stepping stone to more interesthing techniques.

You could do it with multiple knobs/modulators/macros, but I think it's a bit of a creativity/workflow killer. Having one knob do everything is sweet. Though XY controllers could also be dope.

[Coolschmid]

Thats such a pain but Fl has some other good things like its automation!



But yea @dubunked i undestand macros and such but its when you try to put different stuff at different peaks and notches you can get some nice sounds. But its when you modulate them with that one macro is when it goes too shit. I guess you could do it in Eq8 but i dont think its as versatile as Pro q.

Dude... I am really getting the impression you have no idea what you are talking about.

[SunkLo]

But yea @dubunked i undestand macros and such but its when you try to put different stuff at different peaks and notches you can get some nice sounds. But its when you modulate them with that one macro is when it goes too shit. I guess you could do it in Eq8 but i dont think its as versatile as Pro q.

So you're basically saying a static EQ sounds nice but whenever you try to do anything else it goes to shit? Youdon'tsay.jpg

[R3b_Official]

Thats such a pain but Fl has some other good things like its automation!



But yea @dubunked i undestand macros and such but its when you try to put different stuff at different peaks and notches you can get some nice sounds. But its when you modulate them with that one macro is when it goes too shit. I guess you could do it in Eq8 but i dont think its as versatile as Pro q.

Dude... I am really getting the impression you have no idea what you are talking about.

Ahahah i dont! im a total noob to yet finish an original track and ive been trying learning and try to produce for a couple months now. Im just a very patient person trying to some original stuff and not dig the generalized scene of electronic music deeper into the ground by making some new ideas!

Still got a lot to learn and figure out; things like composition, mixing and mastering. Trying to get a good work flow and such, so yeah i really dont know what im doing right now

[R3b_Official]

But yea @dubunked i undestand macros and such but its when you try to put different stuff at different peaks and notches you can get some nice sounds. But its when you modulate them with that one macro is when it goes too shit. I guess you could do it in Eq8 but i dont think its as versatile as Pro q.

So you're basically saying a static EQ sounds nice but whenever you try to do anything else it goes to shit? Youdon'tsay.jpg

Pretty much, didnt think it would go that bad. Thought it was easier said than done but theres a balance.

[SunkLo]

Yep. I've certainly had my share of hairbrained processing ideas that didn't work out. The midi tracking eq I mentioned earlier might be of use to you. But otherwise I'd probably stick to a few filters at a time. And concentrate more on the important aspects of production, there's no need to reinvent the wheel. At least not when it comes to technical tools.

[R3b_Official]

Yep. I've certainly had my share of hairbrained processing ideas that didn't work out. The midi tracking eq I mentioned earlier might be of use to you. But otherwise I'd probably stick to a few filters at a time. And concentrate more on the important aspects of production, there's no need to reinvent the wheel. At least not when it comes to technical tools.

Yeah your right but thanks for the advice! You always give good feedback and support the community and give back so thanks again


If Brothulhu sees this again, theres a dude on youtube making some pretty good tuts and one is about making macros is FL and thats extremely useful for no ableton users.

Heres the link ----->

Also i checked his facebook page and seems like him and couple other producers are getting together to make a big community on youtube with tutorials, colabs, and other stuff. Seems like a good networking idea. Most people dont advertise them selves past soundcloud.

[Brothulhu]

If Brothulhu sees this again, theres a dude on youtube making some pretty good tuts and one is about making macros is FL and thats extremely useful for no ableton users.

Heres the link ----->

Big ups man I'll have a look when I get in, hope it solves my only issue with FL

[titchbit]

Ahahah i dont! im a total noob to yet finish an original track and ive been trying learning and try to produce for a couple months now. Im just a very patient person trying to some original stuff and not dig the generalized scene of electronic music deeper into the ground by making some new ideas!

Still got a lot to learn and figure out; things like composition, mixing and mastering. Trying to get a good work flow and such, so yeah i really dont know what im doing right now

no big deal dude. at least this was a very thoughtful and novel idea. you're thinking in the right direction, and that's what counts for now. the rest will come eventually as long as you keep at it. we need more innovative people shaking things up in the edm scene.