When does a track become "too simple"

norman swashbuckle · Post by **norman swashbuckle** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:03 am

Only real problem i have with my music is that it's so simply put together, but then when i compare it to others i just think what most other people is doing is pretty shit and pointless.. i produce dance music i.e. stuff you dance to.. i don't include dubstep in this as you can't dance to it, also ambient music is not dance music even though it may be labelled EDM, i'm talking the proper stuff, house/techno

Big up to all the old school forum heads still lurking about

fragments · Post by **fragments** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:05 am

I'm making popcorn...wait a second OK?

norman swashbuckle · Post by **norman swashbuckle** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:21 am

should probably spend the time on your tracks rather than popcorn

fragments · Post by **fragments** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:25 am

did you actually listen or are you just being a dick? I don't disagree I've much room for improvement, just asking. (To be fair, I was being a dick, because it seemed like that's what kind of responses you wanted)

norman swashbuckle · Post by **norman swashbuckle** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:32 am

yea i listened, change ya snare man, unless thats what you want.. chords seem distant,ill connected and pretty pointless, they are eery though so i'll give you that.. bassline no real direction, i couldn't hum along to it so its dead in the water tbh seems like you just got happy you could kinda make the sound you were going for and threw notes at it until you had a phrase long enough to loop..

fragments · Post by **fragments** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:36 am

norman swashbuckle wrote:yea i listened, change ya snare man, unless thats what you want.. chords seem distant,ill connected and pretty pointless, they are eery though so i'll give you that.. bassline no real direction, i couldn't hum along to it so its dead in the water tbh seems like you just got happy you could kinda make the sound you were going for and threw notes at it until you had a phrase long enough to loop..

jokes on you brah, there aren't even any chords in that tune

But I'll take your advice and go back and try again, always trying to learn. I'm no expert at any of this. FWIW making music always makes me happy even when it isn't up to other people's standards.

norman swashbuckle · Post by **norman swashbuckle** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:42 am

are you sure the synth presets you used or whatever aren't presets of chords with say 1 oscillator 7 semitones lower than the next oscillator ???
i was referring to the disjointed sounds either way..
music's about having fun man, thats while we all do it
I only posted that as you had time to post something completely irrelevant to what the op was about, who's on the joke on Brah

fragments · Post by **fragments** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:54 am

Honestly, I don't remember if it's a preset or not. It might be. I just try to write tunes, I'm over the sound design circle jerk. Why reinvent the wheel for no reason? So if you want to say you caught me or whatever, go for it.

To respond to the OP

it just seemed really incendiary and pointless. You come on dubstepforum.com, kinda bash dubstep, also say you find most people's music "shit and pointless".

Then make a random call out to "the old school heads" (whatever that means ) as if it make makes your shitty comments OK or makes you cool.

Maybe that's not the way you intended your post, but that's way I read it. Hence the dick-ish reaction.

So, if none of this is your intention, what IS the point of this post?

bennyfroobs · Post by **bennyfroobs** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:55 am

norman swashbuckle wrote:Only real problem i have with my music is that it's so simply put together, but then when i compare it to others i just think what most other people is doing is pretty shit and pointless.. i produce dance music i.e. stuff you dance to.. i don't include dubstep in this as you can't dance to it, also ambient music is not dance music even though it may be labelled EDM, i'm talking the proper stuff, house/techno

Big up to all the old school forum heads still lurking about

jesus christ

edm

cant dance to dubstep

what is this shit

wolf89 · Post by **wolf89** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:02 am

Yeah I'm not sure where this "can't dance to dubstep" thing comes from

norman swashbuckle · Post by **norman swashbuckle** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:05 am

you've highjacked a serious thread, i've probably given you more feedback on your tune than you'd get if you asked for it on here, and the reason you link to your stuff is because you obviously want feedback...

how hard would it be to answer "When does a track become "too simple" "

come on how many times have you listened to a tune you like by a big artist and said, FUCK HOW SIMPLE IS THAT.

i was simply saying hi to the forum heads that have been here for years and still lurk about tbh man, i've been on this forum about 7 years i think under different usernames, still see some people posting that i chatted to back then
i still scan the forum a lot and don't sign in as it's not worth it tbh, will happily give feedback as i know most people that use these forums just want someone to listen to the tracks and tell them how they can improve (whether they want to hear it or not)

Each persons interpretation of dancing is different i take that

fragments · Post by **fragments** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:17 am

SO....question...why not go with something easy going like the thread title than calling out most music as "shitty and pointless". I clicked on the thread because of the title, out of interest, but then I find troll-tone in your post. What makes techno and house (two genres I like quite a bit) "proper" over anything else...

...I've never heard anyone call Ambient EDM...I don't get even bringing it up...and regardless of how we interpret dance (nice back peddling by the way)...why call out dubstep us undanceable ON DUBSTEPFORUM.

It's just the tone man. The tone.

And yea. I do want feedback. Never said I didn't.

It would be that simple if your tone hadn't complicated it. There are tons and tons of "simple" songs in the world. That doesn't make them shitty or pointless.

And if we are going to talk signatures, your super ironic hipster quote in your signature is really cracking me up now.

When does music become too simple? Never, as long as the tune is good. Personally, I don't see simple necessitating shitty and pointless.

Since you bring up ambient...there are amazing ambient tunes that have a lot of sustained single notes that are modulated in really interesting ways. In some sense, very simple. In others, very complex.

3za · Post by **3za** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:25 am

fragments wrote:When does music become too simple?

Erik Satie - Vexations
John Cage - 4'33
Digital Mystikz - Anti War Dub

norman swashbuckle · Post by **norman swashbuckle** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:28 am

I meant the parts in the tracks being "pretty shitty and pointless" i.e. someone's massive overused sample for a rise effect.. (SEE TRAP MUSIC)
or a stupid out there breakdown that in no way ties to the track, being immemorable and pretty pointless

I referenced ambient music as that is what a lot of this forum comes down to imo Ambient type music, subpar burial knockoff's and the main Dubstep threads in here apply to that of the Bro'y sound, this music is not danceable, Moshable yes

How you interpret tone is down to you, i mean your tracks aren't benefiting of a good sense of tone are they..

After getting you all het up, i've written 64 bars since i made that first post how was the popcorn?

fragments · Post by **fragments** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:33 am

norman swashbuckle wrote:I meant the parts in the tracks being "pretty shitty and pointless" i.e. someone's massive overused sample for a rise effect.. (SEE TRAP MUSIC)
or a stupid out there breakdown that in no way ties to the track, being immemorable and pretty pointless

Those details would have been useful in the OP.

norman swashbuckle wrote:I referenced ambient music as that is what a lot of this forum comes down to imo Ambient type music, subpar burial knockoff's and the main Dubstep threads in here apply to that of the Bro'y sound, this music is not danceable, Moshable yes

Again, now we are getting somewhere.

norman swashbuckle wrote:How you interpret tone is down to you, i mean your tracks aren't benefiting of a good sense of tone are they..

I guess I deserve that.

norman swashbuckle wrote:After getting you all het up, i've written 64 bars since i made that first post how was the popcorn?

First, link me your tune when you think it's ready. Second, it was the best fucking popcorn I've ever had.

@3za it wouldn't be a pointless thread w/o John Cage ;p

Clearly I'm the tnuc here so I'll bow out ungracefully.

Benji · Post by **Benji** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:36 am

norman swashbuckle wrote:Only real problem i have with my music is that it's so simply put together, but then when i compare it to others i just think what most other people is doing is pretty shit and pointless.. i produce dance music i.e. stuff you dance to.. i don't include dubstep in this as you can't dance to it, also ambient music is not dance music even though it may be labelled EDM, i'm talking the proper stuff, house/techno

Big up to all the old school forum heads still lurking about

It sounds like you don't like music

Crimsonghost · Post by **Crimsonghost** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:51 am

So, you're making simple music so everyone else should too? If you think complex arrangements sound shit, then don't fucking listen to them. Just because its a massive production doesn't mean it's bad. Same with simple ones.

But to answer your question; a track can never be to simple. If that's what your into. It can also never be too complex. Is all a matter of the target demo for the arist in question.

And when the hell did ambient become Electronic DANCE Music?

norman swashbuckle · Post by **norman swashbuckle** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:53 am

Thats where i'm at
@benji your probably right

bennyfroobs · Post by **bennyfroobs** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:17 am

m8m depends what u mean by 'simple' do u mean simple like a minimal ramadanman track ? cos like sure they sound dead simple to make sometimes but its about capturing the vibes n shit just cos theres not a lot there doesnt mean its any more 'simple//? or do u mean shit thats easy to make thats been done before a bazillion times? open topic is open

and by 'cant dance to dubstep' do u mean brostep? cos theres literally thousands of good dubstep tracks u can have a good skank to wheres brostep has zero vibes and is just an abrasive mess of random noise

n quit sayinhg EDM lol that term is wack

Benji · Post by **Benji** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:20 am

^ I don't think songs can be too simple or too complex, just good or bad

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