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GainStaging Sends

Post by Hashkey » Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:49 pm

How do you gain stage your Reverb Sends?
I just can't get to hit the sweet spot of my reverb, It's always too low in level.
I haven't found anything about gain staging sends on the moneyshot thread.

So how does it work for you?

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Re: GainStaging Sends

Post by Brothulhu » Sat Jul 20, 2013 1:06 pm

Hashkey wrote:How do you gain stage your Reverb Sends?
I just can't get to hit the sweet spot of my reverb, It's always too low in level.
I haven't found anything about gain staging sends on the moneyshot thread.

So how does it work for you?
You just leave the fader at full then adjust the dry wet for each channel till it sounds right, there aren't any rules for ot
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Re: GainStaging Sends

Post by societyloser1 » Sat Jul 20, 2013 1:09 pm

Do you mean gain structuring?
Not really have any problems with that... Put a reverb 100procent wet on a send channel and send the amount of your elements that you want to the reverb bus... If the bus is too quiet, just put some kind of volume booster (don't know the daw u are using) after the reverb and crank it up a little!

Or what do you exactly mean?

Just some extra info that u can use
-Put a highpassed eq before your reverb signal.
-Sending the signal from the bus back to itself can give some nice textures if you find a sweet spot.
-If you did find this sweet spot, putting a eq on the bus and sweeping with a boost can also give some pretty nice feedback textures
-When you're experimenting with stuff like this.. Put a fucking limiter at the end of your chain for your ears sake.
-A long reverb buss with a sidechain compressor to the kick is pretty fucking awesome.
-Yeah, experiment with sending busses to each other.. Really awesome time spending!
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Re: GainStaging Sends

Post by Hashkey » Sat Jul 20, 2013 1:10 pm

Brothulhu wrote:
Hashkey wrote:How do you gain stage your Reverb Sends?
I just can't get to hit the sweet spot of my reverb, It's always too low in level.
I haven't found anything about gain staging sends on the moneyshot thread.

So how does it work for you?
You just leave the fader at full then adjust the dry wet for each channel till it sounds right, there aren't any rules for ot
Dude, this is the way I do, like you do .but like this you never get to hit the sweet spot of the reverb if it's analogically modeled.

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Re: GainStaging Sends

Post by Hashkey » Sat Jul 20, 2013 1:18 pm

Hashkey wrote:
Brothulhu wrote:
Hashkey wrote:How do you gain stage your Reverb Sends?
I just can't get to hit the sweet spot of my reverb, It's always too low in level.
I haven't found anything about gain staging sends on the moneyshot thread.

So how does it work for you?
You just leave the fader at full then adjust the dry wet for each channel till it sounds right, there aren't any rules for ot
Dude, this is the way I do, like you do .but like this you never get to hit the sweet spot of the reverb if it's analogically modeled.
You gave me a half Idea on how to do but it involves rising the volume before the reverb and then lowering it.
I'll try to explain myself better:
In ableton I just create a send bus and put a nice plate 250 reverb.
That reverb needs to be feeded to work how at is was designed with -18db. It has even internal meters.
So when you send from a track some signal to the reverb is very low.
I came up with an idea in your post, hmhmh First finding a nice balance between all the pieces of the kit sent to a reverb then putting a utility in front of the reverb to take it's in levels to around -18dbfs and then after the reverb lowering the out of it again.
Maybe some S/N ratio would come up, dunno.

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Re: GainStaging Sends

Post by Icetickle » Sat Jul 20, 2013 1:26 pm

Ableton 9 has reverb set on send A by default (with nice settings).
But I don't really like it for some reason. I use it only for drums/samples.
For my synths I use massive reverb... I also had and idea of putting Izotope Ozone reverb insted of ableton reverb. :P
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Re: GainStaging Sends

Post by Artie_Fufkin » Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:46 am

OP: If you're having trouble finding the 'sweet spot', perhaps try compression. I've read that some producers who record drums will compress their room mics heavily.
societyloser1 wrote:-Sending the signal from the bus back to itself can give some nice textures if you find a sweet spot.
-If you did find this sweet spot, putting a eq on the bus and sweeping with a boost can also give some pretty nice feedback textures
-When you're experimenting with stuff like this.. Put a fucking limiter at the end of your chain for your ears sake.
-A long reverb buss with a sidechain compressor to the kick is pretty fucking awesome.
-Yeah, experiment with sending busses to each other.. Really awesome time spending!
What daw are you using to do this?

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Re: GainStaging Sends

Post by societyloser1 » Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:27 pm

Artie Fufkin wrote:OP: If you're having trouble finding the 'sweet spot', perhaps try compression. I've read that some producers who record drums will compress their room mics heavily.
societyloser1 wrote:-Sending the signal from the bus back to itself can give some nice textures if you find a sweet spot.
-If you did find this sweet spot, putting a eq on the bus and sweeping with a boost can also give some pretty nice feedback textures
-When you're experimenting with stuff like this.. Put a fucking limiter at the end of your chain for your ears sake.
-A long reverb buss with a sidechain compressor to the kick is pretty fucking awesome.
-Yeah, experiment with sending busses to each other.. Really awesome time spending!
What daw are you using to do this?
The best one there is for electronic music production.. Ableton!
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Re: GainStaging Sends

Post by titchbit » Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:58 pm

Brothulhu wrote:You just leave the fader at full then adjust the dry wet for each channel till it sounds right, there aren't any rules for ot

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Re: GainStaging Sends

Post by Artie_Fufkin » Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:47 am

But you can still use the fader to adjust how loud the reverb bus is relative to the rest of the mix. Just like if you send all your drums to a "drums bus" you can set each individual drums volume and then adjust the group as a whole relative to the rest of the mix.

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