Abel bass

[enjarcher]

Hi guys,

I'm trying to figure out how to make the bass from Feed Me - Abel. Comes in at 0:28. Had little or no luck so far, it sounds quite a bit different from his usual basses.
Does anyone have any ideas?

[azuk]

That's definitely a FM bass vocoded. I'll try in a bit.

Something like

Wet FM --> Vocodex ->EQ Modulation -> Filter.

[enjarcher]

Come to think of it, I think I can hear the FM8 talk wah filter in there somewhere... not sure if thats gonna help but hey

[azuk]

I don't have much experience with FM8, but I'm pretty close with some EQ modulation Sytrus and Vocodex.

[enjarcher]

Could you post what you've got?

[azuk]

Sorry about that, here it is
Soundcloud

Sytrus Vocodex and Harmor.

I'll give you the Harmor preset too. It's resampled in it.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/i8zbj ... titled.fst

[vault]

I swear to god I can hear modern talking there.

[azuk]

Yeah, something like Modern Talking on Bend +/- with a Vocodex might do the sound better, I'll have to try.

[enjarcher]

Sorry about that, here it is
Soundcloud

Sytrus Vocodex and Harmor.

I'll give you the Harmor preset too. It's resampled in it.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/i8zbj ... titled.fst

Thanks, but unfortunately I don't use FL Studio (I use Live) so can't really use Harmor, but yeah the tiny thing you've posted does actually sound pretty accurate. I'll try myself and see what I can come up with. I wonder if the ableton vocoder will be able to do a similar job to Vocodex?

[azuk]

The FM in Sytrus should be pretty easy to do in FM8 or Operator, and I'll try and see what I can do in FM8, but Abelton's stock Vocoder isn't going to work for how I did it. There's a lot of modulation with the parameters inside of it, specifically number of bands, band width, modulator pitch shift, and modulator unison. There's also a 16 band Formant EQ I have modulating it designed in Patcher, and I don't think EQ Eight works.

Harmor's also a vst.

Edit: I don't think I can do it with Operator. Trying with FM8 now.

Edit 2:I don't think I can do it with FM8.

[enjarcher]

The FM in Sytrus should be pretty easy to do in FM8 or Operator, and I'll try and see what I can do in FM8, but Abelton's stock Vocoder isn't going to work for how I did it. There's a lot of modulation with the parameters inside of it, specifically number of bands, band width, modulator pitch shift, and modulator unison. There's also a 16 band Formant EQ I have modulating it designed in Patcher, and I don't think EQ Eight works.

Harmor's also a vst.

Edit: I don't think I can do it with Operator. Trying with FM8 now.

Edit 2:I don't think I can do it with FM8.

You sure you can't do it with FM8? That and Sytrus have pretty much the same functionality, just a different interface

[azuk]

I can't find a way to specifically program in higher harmonics into FM8 so I don't think it can be done. You could try though.

6 Operators.

Pitch is set on -24.

Operator 1 is a sine.
Operator 2 is a triangle with additional harmonics, specifically then second, fourth, and sixth. Slightly out of phase.
Operator 3 is a sine out of phase slightly with Operator 1 and a slight second harmonic.
Operator 4 is a triangle with the 64ths, 128ths, 256ths harmonics engaged. Each harmonic is slightly out of phase.
Operator 5 is a triangle with the second and third harmonics engaged.
Operator 6 is a pure sine, this is run through the chorus effect and is used as a sub.

Operator 1 is modulated by Operator 2 and Operator 4.
Operator 2 is modulated by Operator 3.
Operator 4 is modulated by Operator 5.
Operator 6 is going through the FX then directly out. A dry signal is also sent to the Filter.

The Filter is waveshaping the sub and applying some overdrive.

I'm using automation clips on every Operator to control the volume pf each in order to control the amount of modulation.
I'm also modulating phase of Operator 2 and 4 each mapped to Mod X and Y 1:1.

All of this is run through a Vocodex, which modulates itself. I'm modulating Band Width, Pitch Shift, Band Width Mutiplier, and then Unison.

I route into patcher and create different formant band pass filters using Fruity PEQ2 using the specific formants of the vowels "E" "I" "O" adjusted to my voice.

That concludes all the stuff I used on the FM Synthesis part, I'll do the rest in a bit.

[bouncingfish]

I can't find a way to specifically program in higher harmonics into FM8 so I don't think it can be done. You could try though.

6 Operators.

Pitch is set on -24.

Operator 1 is a sine.
Operator 2 is a triangle with additional harmonics, specifically then second, fourth, and sixth. Slightly out of phase.
Operator 3 is a sine out of phase slightly with Operator 1 and a slight second harmonic.
Operator 4 is a triangle with the 64ths, 128ths, 256ths harmonics engaged. Each harmonic is slightly out of phase.
Operator 5 is a triangle with the second and third harmonics engaged.
Operator 6 is a pure sine, this is run through the chorus effect and is used as a sub.

Operator 1 is modulated by Operator 2 and Operator 4.
Operator 2 is modulated by Operator 3.
Operator 4 is modulated by Operator 5.
Operator 6 is going through the FX then directly out. A dry signal is also sent to the Filter.

The Filter is waveshaping the sub and applying some overdrive.

I'm using automation clips on every Operator to control the volume pf each in order to control the amount of modulation.
I'm also modulating phase of Operator 2 and 4 each mapped to Mod X and Y 1:1.

All of this is run through a Vocodex, which modulates itself. I'm modulating Band Width, Pitch Shift, Band Width Mutiplier, and then Unison.

I route into patcher and create different formant band pass filters using Fruity PEQ2 using the specific formants of the vowels "E" "I" "O" adjusted to my voice.

That concludes all the stuff I used on the FM Synthesis part, I'll do the rest in a bit.

Cool! Trying this when I get home.

[azuk]

I bounced out the FM Synthesis result, then I resampled it in Harmor.

The resynthesis section settings:

I have speed turned off, and I automated the time, so i could scrub across the image by modulating it. I have the formant shift mix set to about 30%, and Formant shift at -600 cents,

I also have Image Formant Mutation boosted up in the high end and low end, and a slight well in the middle.

Unison settings:

I have Pitch set to about 75% and panning all the way down, and used the "Classic" unison distribution.

Harmonic Blur is set to 30% and I have Unison Index Mapping on it, with the second voice higher than the first.

Phaser Mix is set to about 50% and I also have Unison index Mapping on it with the First Voice at zero and the second voice at 100%.

I then have a small amount of Log distortion and a little Chorus.

i bounce this out, then go through a couple more rounds of resampling, then I vocoded the original FM sound to the resampled version.