Raw talent vs potential etc

[Icetickle]

Isn't creativity in itself a talent though?

Everyone can be creative in some way.

[titchbit]

Isn't creativity in itself a talent though?

yes exactly it is.

[wub]

Isn't creativity in itself a talent though?

yes exactly it is.

Isn't creativity in itself a talent though?

Everyone can be creative in some way.

So if talent is creativity and everyone can be creative in some way, that means everyone is talented to an extent, no?

[Genevieve]

My girlfriend recently read a book called 'bounce' and the whole thing was study into people with perceived 'talent'. Long story short, the book sets out that this is utter bullshit and it's all about practice - and efficient / effective methods of practice.

I doubt it. It may not be specific talents. Like being a talented 'producer' seems pretty overly specific, but I think some people have a certain 'wiring' that aides them in a set of tasks (150 thousand years ago, that task could be different, may not even be strictly creative, but it was expressed like that in that time's circumstances). Like Einstein's brain was physically abnormal, I think it lacked a certain tissue. That adaption enabled him to visualize complex experiences, coupled with his intelligence and knowledge, it gave him the ability to come up with his ideas. Isn't that a talent? There was also this guy who could hold on to a motorcycle driving away at full speed and keep it in place for 15 seconds. He can activate more muscle fibers at once than other people can, which enables him to perform some amazing feats of strength. And it's a physical abnormality much like Einstein's brain.

And there may be such a thing as 'talent' that appears natural, but is passively nurtured. Like I wouldn't call myself a talented producer, but I would say I have a talent for drum programming. No matter what I do, or what style I try to do, I can just go ahead and program it without much real effort and it can get pretty complicated. And I think it's because in all my time as a music fan, I always really liked drums that were all over the place. Complex breaks in old hip-hop when I was 12, free-jazz and technical metal when I was 15, etc. So when I started producing, it just came out that way.

Isn't creativity in itself a talent though?

Or logic.

[titchbit]

So if talent is creativity and everyone can be creative in some way, that means everyone is talented to an extent, no?

well yeah. and "to an extent" can mean zero, too. in other words, people that have no creativity have no creative talent. in theory, at least, because in reality everyone probably has some sort of creativity. but this is immeasurable as far as I know. but there are other forms of talent that are important to music production IMO such as technical skills. you gotta be able to understand the complexities of computers.

[Icetickle]

So if talent is creativity and everyone can be creative in some way, that means everyone is talented to an extent, no?

well yeah. and "to an extent" can mean zero, too. in other words, people that have no creativity have no creative talent. in theory, at least, because in reality everyone probably has some sort of creativity. but this is immeasurable as far as I know. but there are other forms of talent that are important to music production IMO such as technical skills. you gotta be able to understand the complexities of computers.

Oh yeah, you need to be good with information technology (IT).

[wub]

Not really, some guys on here rock all hardware setups w/out a computer of any sort.

[titchbit]

well i mean you gotta understand some technical stuff (eg routing, etc)

[Icetickle]

Not really, some guys on here rock all hardware setups w/out a computer of any sort.

You don't need a PC to be good with IT.

[L_O_O_K]

This is how i see it: You need two things to become successful as a music maker. 1: Hard Work, and 2: creativity.

Hard Work: Anyone can achieve hard work, this is how you get good at producing music. You learn what sounds good, you learn what you need in a song to make it sound good and how to use the tools (DAWs scales rhythm etc. etc.). Anyone can learn this, it takes years of practice to become a good engineer so start failing and learning now. and u will never get anywhere if u dont fail so start failing and start embracing and learning from it.

Creativity: This is a potent ingredient in making good music. We all hve different lives and we all have different experiences and memories. Creativity is channeling yourself into whatever you are doing. No one is the same. this is why some artists have great unique music an some have shitty generic music aka brostep / trap etc. You need to find whatever you love in life, even if its the past or memories and channel it into your music. if you do it and with enough practice (refer to hard work) y ou will make something that sounds unlike anyone else.

above all have fun and if u dont enjoy music stop making it and take a break. if ur not having fun ur not being creative.

[Add9]

this is why some artists have great unique music an some have shitty generic music aka brostep / trap etc.

not all brostep and trap has to be shitty and generic

[SunkLo]

Is hard work a talent? Some people seem to be better at it than others.

[titchbit]

Is hard work a talent? Some people seem to be better at it than others.

very, very true. good point.

[peaka]

Knowledge or the continual process of learning will ALWAYS trump neglected talent

Simply put, 20/80 rule. 20% of how much you know 80% of how much you're willing to work/learn to get what you want.

Yes, talent is a factor but not the main ingredient to success. Many talented people do not obtain success and TONS of people achieve success even though they were not born with "natural" talent. Just look outside of music, athletes, doctors, astronauts, etc.

Again, yes talent, genetic disposition, environment growing up, etc all play a factor to who we are today, but I'm a firm believer that you get out what you put in. Talent without practice means absolutely nothing and will get you nowhere.

Prodigies are born, but it's a very small bracket and let's be real, if any of us were one, we wouldn't be here discussing ways to perfect our sound, we'd be the ones giving the advice.

Remember, it's easy to say that you'll give anything for music but consider this. There are people going for formal schooling for audio engineering, spending $17,000 a semester (not year, semester), 70 hour/week not knowing if they'll get a job at the end of their 2/3 year term. If they even graduate that is...

That means living at home with your parents, eating ramen, no friends, no life, no nothing during the prime social years of your life. I know some of you will say "PFFFT, I'd do that now anyways and would be easy". Trust me when I say the dropout rate is 70-80% and most realize that it's not worth the sacrifice...

If you don't have prolific parents that'll hook you up, hard work is your best route to success. Personally, I find people with talent think they'll eventually make it somehow without putting in the work. They eventually stop trying, get complacent and complain to others about how they didn't "make it".

Again, talent without practice means absolutely nothing and will get you nowhere.

[Aufnahmewindwuschel]

talent is like the matrix trilogy at the end you get shittier and on part of you becomes a woman

[Icetickle]

talent is like the matrix trilogy at the end you get shittier and on part of you becomes a woman

You are one sick motherfucker...

[Aufnahmewindwuschel]

same with artists who make cool music but than say that they like scrubs or big bang theory
or kryptic minds "skating"

[3za]

7 of my joints, are double jointed, and I have 3 testicles. That is what natural talent looks like bitches. You can't 10,000 hours that!!!!

[SunkLo]

7 of my joints, are double jointed, and I have 3 testicles. That is what natural talent looks like bitches. You can't 10,000 hours that!!!!

10000 hours in front of a microwave.

[3za]

7 of my joints, are double jointed, and I have 3 testicles. That is what natural talent looks like bitches. You can't 10,000 hours that!!!!

10000 hours in front of a microwave.