Junglists getting angry about people jumping ships !

dept of hell science · Post by **dept of hell science** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:21 pm

see, i have no idea what clownstep is...

...but I imagine it's the dnb equivalent of plodstep in breaks

so what do you get when you take the r'n'b out of drum n bass ???

battlemode · Post by **battlemode** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:21 pm

yep thats true. 2step/techstep whatever you want to call it, the no-u-turn records thing, that WAS fresh when it came out, it was absolutely wicked, total change of direction. Then you get certain artists/DJs who i will not mention that pushed that and only that until it became all there was. And they didn't even focus on the good elements of that style, just the awful repetitive rhythms... bah, you can tell i'm bitter about the state of DNB can't ya?

der mac · Post by **der mac** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:26 pm

clownstep is mostly pure jump up 2 step breaks with a simple 4/4 or 8/4 wobble bassline. nothing really melodic. But i get influenced by it and bring the wobble in the dubstep

matter of taste

maybe anyone was earlyer. (for shure)

But none can switch his head off and create from now to then THAT neu style.

The No u turn posse made definitely their own thing, without watching whats in the scene. and nico sykes was earlyer then no u turn a very good musicproducer and sounddesigner. I think thats the reason of the success of no u turn. Brain off, knowledge on.

battlemode · Post by **battlemode** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:31 pm

Der MAC wrote:clownstep is mostly pure jump up 2 step breaks with a simple 4/4 or 8/4 wobble bassline. nothing really melodic. But i get influenced by it and bring the wobble in the dubstep matter of taste maybe anyone was earlyer. (for shure)

But none can switch his head off and create from now to then THAT neu style.

That's the trick I guess, taking the good stuff, or the stuff you like, and applying it in a creative way. Yeah, i think its probably impossible to do stuff that isn't inspired by something else, although maybe some weird modern day caveman out there somewhere that hasn't been discovered yet is making completely original music. Now that would be something. No doubt radio one would give him a show and suddonly he's the next bond villian and driving around in a gold mercedes. Pfff

der mac · Post by **der mac** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:35 pm

Oh yes, the Mad Gold teethed Mad Villain in Mercedes Benz. or was it BMW? I forgot

Well, I forgot the really big portion of LUCK and upper Self Opinion and of course, Hard Work and tight connections 2 professional people they think of you and work on your Ideas. The Press is also an important way 2 image you as artist or scene

and we shuld work on ourselves

djfurness · Post by **djfurness** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:10 pm

I think that quite a lot of Skreams stuff sounds like 'Clownstep', which I dont mind at all because I love wobbly stuff.
My 2pence is that ive heard more originality in the last 3 Months in Dubstep than I have in 3 years listening to Drum n Bass.
I still love my old DnB and certain producers like Breakage/Amit/Paradox etc, but mostly now it just sounds too noisey to me....and I like Breakcore!

rogue star · Post by **rogue star** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:36 pm

Im fed up with peeps comparing dub-step to dnb as if to say that dnb is inferior. At the end o the day bottom line is if hardcore/jungle/dnb didnt exist this music would not be here standard! Another thing is this, take a look at dnb, its globalaly smakin it, it has had its bullshit and dramas yet its still here and bigger then ever, every scene has crap in it, thats the way it goes, it just helps us to identify the good from the bad.
It seems to me some peeps are sore cos they can't get in to dnb as artists, im not denying that its hard to get into but if u think by comin in2 dubstep u will smak it quicker guess again. Music is music, production is production - fuck the genre if your sub standard then its you that has to work harder not the scene.
Bandwagonism is a term that is applied to people who for one reason or another didn't cut it in the scene they were in so they saw a genre which is moving and goin places and try to get on it. I could mention a few names here from other genres but i won't and if you get pissed off with this comment u need to ask yourself why.
So when peeps say dnb heads are jumpin on the band wagon, who? V recordings gang, ed rush, optical, bad company, movin fusion, pendulem, twisted etc these guys make shit hot music what reason would they have to do that other than its a new area of expression in music for them to explore if they choose to. Thier scene is as valid as ours and they rep it properly.
It seems to me that the danger here is when the fans become dictators. Who are you to say and govern wot is wot and how things should be done? if u feel that strongly get the program and start workin like the rest of us to build a rich n full scene free of small minded bickering and focus' on the most important aspect...the music

der mac · Post by **der mac** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:39 pm

nuff said. Thats it.

j_j · Post by **j_j** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:43 pm

RickyRicardo wrote:
J_J wrote: in fact.. 'Terminator' was the third record i ever bought ..and is still the best one i have ..BAD MAN TUNE !!

"the terminator is out there...."

"you're telling me about things I haven't even done yet..."

man, that tune is awesome. Still gives me chills when I hear it.

same ...its still sik as the day i bought it ,,even tho now i hear it diff .its sikker lol FUCKING RIDDEM !!!!

skosh · Post by **skosh** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 8:01 pm

Intoccabile wrote:I swear most dnb heads I speak to these days are angry about the fact that huge numbers of junglists love dubstep and are jumping ships...

I find it funny how they say that dubstep is just a fad and when it dies those junglists will come back to dnb ! .........Mmmh I don't think so !

Big up to all the junglists feeling dubstep ( even the mighty skosh is here )...

I say that all these junglists deserting dnb is just a sign of times !

haha i'm not mighty or jumping ship

just like lots of different styles and i still love my hard dnb

kozee · Post by **kozee** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 8:12 pm

I love me some wobble!

skosh · Post by **skosh** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 8:21 pm

kozee wrote:I love me some wobble!

i cant stand that lol

dept of hell science · Post by **dept of hell science** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 10:33 pm

eh ???

clownstep is jump up 2 step with wobbly basslines at 170 or so bpm...

...gotta hear this, who's got a link to a clownstep mix ???

intoccabile · Post by **intoccabile** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 10:38 pm

I can upload some clips of clownstep tunes for you

dept of hell science · Post by **dept of hell science** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 10:49 pm

yeah gwan then Intoccabile...

...I'll probably like it

I loves me some wobble...

...in other peoples tunes

methinks there's a mite too much wobble in most dubstep...

intoccabile · Post by **intoccabile** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 10:49 pm

No need to upload tunes as there's tons of it on DOA - audio section

Nightwalker - Mayhem : http://www.dogsonacid.com/system/play.p ... MubXAz.m3u

Nightwalker - Rush : http://www.dogsonacid.com/system/play.p ... 1wMw==.m3u

Nightwalker - revenge : http://www.dogsonacid.com/system/play.p ... 1wMw==.m3u

And there's a clownstep mix floating around on the board or booth section

intoccabile · Post by **intoccabile** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 10:53 pm

And get this... Crissy Criss - on the motorway : http://www.dogsonacid.com/system/play.p ... 1wMw==.m3u

Good for a laugh

But there's some good wobble, it's not all bad !

intoccabile · Post by **intoccabile** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 10:56 pm

Just uploaded this : http://s60.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1ICA ... VS0O58ZS2B

dept of hell science · Post by **dept of hell science** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:05 pm

fuck me that is so close to being dubstep it's not funny !!!

...no wonder d'n'b producers are finding it so easy to do dubstep

they prolly got shitloads of sub par tunes that just need to be pitched down to 140bpm, chuck the wack rolling beat away, put in a half step then dress it up again...

...i can see the true 2step/breaks inpired dubstep becoming squeezed in favour of lowest common denominator stuff being produced to satisfy the nu converts

and the convert d'n'b producers bringing their own fanbase across as well...

like "oh tech itch is into it and making it so it must be good..."

...errr use your own fucking judgment fella

be easy to cash in on your hi dnb profile if you was to broaden your genre production to include dubstep so they'd be stupid to change identities...

...which is weird when you get true break/dubsteppas being all mysterious about making stuff that doesn't fit the mould of their previous efforts

then again we're thinknig of reincarnating as well to allow for our more spiritual side

intoccabile · Post by **intoccabile** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:22 pm

Some production methods are shared by dnb and dubstep producers... I think the similarities end there.

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