Secret Ninja Fashion Thread

[Laszlo]

... why on earth would the most social ape in the world NOT want to draw attention to themselves? Apes have been peacocking for hundreds of thousands of years, just like every other species that likes to fuck. Evolutionarily, you're the freak for not caring what you look like.

Because we have a higher state of consciousness and so behaving like animals is regressive and undignified??

[gwa]

hi magma you spoke for me thanks

[magma]

... why on earth would the most social ape in the world NOT want to draw attention to themselves? Apes have been peacocking for hundreds of thousands of years, just like every other species that likes to fuck. Evolutionarily, you're the freak for not caring what you look like.

Because we have a higher state of consciousness and so behaving like animals is regressive and undignified??

I'm not convinced we have a "higher state of consciousness" to other primates really; I have a feeling it might be that we've got enough language to convince ourselves of being "higher"... maybe we are, but to the level that we don't subconsciously want to look our best to attract mates? Nah, the mating ritual is ingrained genetically... we're humans, pre-programmed DNA-replicators in the form of big apes, not pan-dimensional hyper-intelligent beings bent on the glory of philosophical thought and the beauty of simplified existence (though we can teach ourselves to act like it). We're over-evolved simians who like masturbation, McDonalds and ABBA songs however much we don't like to admit it to our friends.

Everything I've ever done was "behaving like animals".

[Laszlo]

Regardless, "behaving like animals is regressive and undignified" still stands. If you see a child acting up and you see your own poor behaviour reflected in theirs, you suddenly come to realise that the way you have been behaving is unreasonable for an adult. Same thing with peacocking. You see some idiot birds trying to flex on the gal dem and realise that dressing a certain way to possibly attract a female is pretty backward.

If you buy clothes because you like the aesthetic aspect of it, fair enough more power to you, but if you buy something because you think it might get you laid, well, I find that a little tragic.

[garethom]

I've just come to say that I think some of these clothes look stupid, but I also think a lot of art and other people's taste in music is stupid. Thinking shit is stupid isn't a crime.

To my knowledge, I've never actually been wrong about anything ever.

[magma]

Regardless, "behaving like animals is regressive and undignified" still stands. If you see a child acting up and you see your own poor behaviour reflected in theirs, you suddenly come to realise that the way you have been behaving is unreasonable for an adult. Same thing with peacocking. You see some idiot birds trying to flex on the gal dem and realise that dressing a certain way to possibly attract a female is pretty backward.

If you buy clothes because you like the aesthetic aspect of it, fair enough more power to you, but if you buy something because you think it might get you laid, well. I find that a little tragic.

If I see a child acting up it's normally that they're hurting someone, stealing something or endangering themselves - I don't really see a comparison with that and making sure you're dressed up nicely before you leave your house.

If you read my post above I didn't say the clothes win the girl - I said the confidence arising from taking care of your look can win the girl. It's not the only option either; I'm just surprised that so many people find it offensive. It seems a lot more sociable than the souped up Vauxhalls and Peugeots people used to peacock in where I grew up, anyway!

[particle-jim]

If you buy clothes because you like the aesthetic aspect of it, fair enough more power to you, but if you buy something because you think it might get you laid, well, I find that a little tragic.

I'd agree with that

I've just come to say that I think some of these clothes look stupid, but I also think a lot of art and other people's taste in music is stupid. Thinking shit is stupid isn't a crime.

I'd agree with that too, it all just comes down to personally taste really

I very much buy clothes for my own personal enjoyment, I genuinely couldn't give a fuck what other people think of how I dress and as previously mentioned I don't actually have a clue whats considered fashionable, I just buy stuff I like the look of

Which is why the world loves it a bit of Jimmy. Dude even looks right in a DRESS.

thx bb

[Laszlo]

You're trying to link the wrong parts of the analogy - i'm saying that adult is to child as human is to the rest of the animal kingdom (or peacocks in particular if you're not feeling the higher intelligence over apes aspect).

Confidence gained from clothes is hollow and nothing more than a curious leftover of the evolutionary process. The idea that you somehow become a better 'you' because you've put on a particular piece of cloth is utterly backward to me imo.


I'm not saying don't do what you want in order to express yourselves, people. I'm just explaining my take on it and that it is 100% not for me.

[particle-jim]

Confidence gained from clothes is hollow and nothing more than a curious leftover of the evolutionary process. The idea that you somehow become a better 'you' because you've put on a particular piece of cloth is utterly backward to me imo.

If your reason for wearing clothes is as an expression of self rather than to try and 'attract a mate' or whatever, then would that not render any other confidence gained as a result of expressing yourself through another medium hollow as well?

Just curious as to were the line between self expression and showiness is

[Laszlo]

No i'm saying confidence gained purely from wearing a particular... whatever is hollow.
Confidence gained from expressing yourself, even if that's from just presenting yourself in a certain way, is never hollow.

The line is a blurry one, chums, and i'm not sure i'm explaining myself very well.
Was it Magma that said about you can look shit in expensive clothes if you don't carry it well but some people in Primark clothes belong on the catwalk?? Well, the confidence comes from within. If you're a shook one in a bin bag your a shook one in Armani.


Basically, confidence is not a prerequisite for expressing yourself.

[SKIN E]

This thread is gold love how so many people are blinded by "fashion" and what celebrities wear, all looks utter shit and everyone but your "homies" and other uneducated monkeys will laugh at you, it is sad, it is not art, you do not hang it on your wall to look at. You wear it to look good yet in reality you look complete shit.

Get some regular fucking shirts, a few suits and get an actual job you skirt wearing mong.

You're a dick.

The double standards that exist between people who are into different artistic pursuits are plain stupid. Of course clothes can be high art just like they can be utterly functional - just because someone's into a different form of expression to you doesn't make them "uneducated monkeys"... it means they have a slightly different take on life to you.

This post is like going into a Venetian Snares thread and calling people lame because they don't go to Oceana and bro out to Eric Prydz. Making yourself look really worldly.

I've always had a sneaking suspicion that people who say they don't give a fuck about clothes have self-esteem issues buried DEEP beneath all their holier-than-thou sniping... why on earth would the most social ape in the world NOT want to draw attention to themselves? Apes have been peacocking for hundreds of thousands of years, just like every other species that likes to fuck. Evolutionarily, you're the freak for not caring what you look like.

You're having a laugh, you joker

[Genevieve]

No matter what you wear, you're communicating something and there's nothing shallow about wanting to find a channel to communicate what you feel inside to the outside world in ways you think best represents what is 'you' in your society.

And anyone on here using an avatar and a signature should be barred from calling people who care deeply about fashion 'shallow'. Your posts speak for themselves, right?

[Pedro Sánchez]

Label buying is different to an interest in fashion though, it's a status symbol associated with wealth, like wearing a lot gold jewelry, it's saying 'I can afford this, therefore I'm successful at something'.
I have a pain black 100% cashmere sweater that is Identical to a current Saint Laurent cashmere sweater in every way but the label sewn on the inside, I payed £100, the Saint Laurent one is £560, now had I bought the the Saint Laurent sweater the only way I could justify the purchase over the cheaper one is by letting everyone know it is a Saint Laurent and showing them the label, to which I'm sure the response would be...'so'
Classics remain but trends come and go, most of what you fill your wardrobe up with today, you will be embarrassed about in a few years.

[magma]

You're trying to link the wrong parts of the analogy - i'm saying that adult is to child as human is to the rest of the animal kingdom (or peacocks in particular if you're not feeling the higher intelligence over apes aspect).

Confidence gained from clothes is hollow and nothing more than a curious leftover of the evolutionary process. The idea that you somehow become a better 'you' because you've put on a particular piece of cloth is utterly backward to me imo.

Nawww... the clothes are a symptom, they're not the cause. You don't gain confidence from wearing whatever is in the latest issue of Vogue; you exude confidence by allowing yourself to stand out from the crowd - however you choose to communicate that, whether it's writing a book, putting graffiti on a wall, singing a song or designing an outfit, it's the same message... "I'm here, I'm happy and I'm confident in my own existence. Fuck me."

I see the basics of dressing as fairly similar to daily showering or eating - wearing decent clothes makes me feel that I'm communicating a modicum of "control" over myself. "Hey everyone, I'm managing to exist in the modern world without letting myself fall apart. Fuck me!"

Confidence equally doesn't come from the record collection, but it's communicated by getting behind some decks and playing those records to people. I don't really see any functional difference between playing records in public and stepping out in 'noticeable' clothes... just a taste one.

[SKIN E]

Comparison to music is not accurate imo; music is something you personally enjoy and so yes of course it is up to you what sounds good, fashion is more something you wear for other people to see imo. So unless you go around blaring your music out to everyone around you and mentioning your favourite artists at every oppurtunity then i don't see how the two are comparable.

Incorrect; most people get dressed looking in a mirror - not by asking their friends what they should wear. They do it to make themselves happy - as a result, other people find them confident and attractive. Someone can wear high-fashion and look shit because they don't believe in it... another person can wear Primark and belong on the catwalk. Beauty comes from within - if you're the sort of person that expresses through clothes, then your clothes may well be part of that beauty.

Just to play you at your own little sad "incorrect i'm so smart because I have 14k posts" game.

Incorrect; most people get dressed looking in a mirror thinking "Does this look good enough for me to be seen outside?" not to "be happy", so actually Mason is correct.

Over and out!

[magma]

Label buying is different to an interest in fashion though, it's a status symbol associated with wealth, like wearing a lot gold jewelry, it's saying 'I can afford this, therefore I'm successful at something'.

I agree with part of this sentiment... an interest in wearing labels is not necessarily an interest in fashion; just like appreciating the mass-produced canvasses in Ikea isn't necessarily an interest in high art.

[magma]

Comparison to music is not accurate imo; music is something you personally enjoy and so yes of course it is up to you what sounds good, fashion is more something you wear for other people to see imo. So unless you go around blaring your music out to everyone around you and mentioning your favourite artists at every oppurtunity then i don't see how the two are comparable.

Incorrect; most people get dressed looking in a mirror - not by asking their friends what they should wear. They do it to make themselves happy - as a result, other people find them confident and attractive. Someone can wear high-fashion and look shit because they don't believe in it... another person can wear Primark and belong on the catwalk. Beauty comes from within - if you're the sort of person that expresses through clothes, then your clothes may well be part of that beauty.

Just to play you at your own little sad "incorrect i'm so smart because I have 14k posts" game.

Actually I'm correct because humans have been behaving this way since they evolved, not just because I've spent too much of my career arguing with shiftless teenagers on the Internet.

Being ashamed of human nature is the only thing that strikes me as "sad" here.

[magma]

Incorrect; most people get dressed looking in a mirror thinking "Does this look good enough for me to be seen outside?" not to "be happy", so actually Mason is correct.

You've apparently never met my girlfriend. She'll get through several outfits whilst spending the day by herself at home. Sometimes she'll just nip to the bathroom and change her clothes because she's bored of looking down at the same top. She likes dressing up. It's a hobby learning how outfits are created and how certain lines and colours work together... in the same way that I trawl hiphop blogs for new rap records, she trawls Swedish fashion blogs looking for new tops... it's exactly the same pursuit.

[Electric_Head]

Incorrect; most people get dressed looking in a mirror thinking "Does this look good enough for me to be seen outside?" not to "be happy", so actually Mason is correct.

You've apparently never met my girlfriend. She'll get through several outfits whilst spending the day by herself at home. Sometimes she'll just nip to the bathroom and change her clothes because she's bored of looking down at the same top. She likes dressing up. It's a hobby learning how outfits are created and how certain lines and colours work together... in the same way that I trawl hiphop blogs for new rap records, she trawls Swedish fashion blogs looking for new tops... it's exactly the same pursuit.

Does she throw the old outfit in the wash?
Who does the washing?

I do the washing at home and I wouldn't allow that.

[particle-jim]

No i'm saying confidence gained purely from wearing a particular... whatever is hollow.
Confidence gained from expressing yourself, even if that's from just presenting yourself in a certain way, is never hollow.

The line is a blurry one, chums, and i'm not sure i'm explaining myself very well.
Was it Magma that said about you can look shit in expensive clothes if you don't carry it well but some people in Primark clothes belong on the catwalk?? Well, the confidence comes from within. If you're a shook one in a bin bag your a shook one in Armani.


Basically, confidence is not a prerequisite for expressing yourself.

I fully get were you're coming from and I agree actually, simply adorning yourself with flashy things in the hope that people will see you in a different light and that this will make you feel better about yourself then it's definitely hollow (for this reason, I couldn't give two shits about what label my clothes are), however if you dress in certain way to express yourself/your personality then it's not hollow, I dress in a particular way to look and feel like me, that to me is an extension of who I am and how I identify myself, the days I feel I'm more confident as a result of how I'm dressed are the days I feel I most look like me (if that makes sense, probably doesn't)