Mixing 808s and 909s for Smooth Wave Form

[Sartoris]

Lately I've been working on mixing an 808 and 909 plus another sample to get a Bassnectar style kick. I'm specifically looking at "here we go" : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQmOi3sjDIo. I've tuned the 808 and 909 to sit together and processed the samples. It sounds pretty darn close but when I resample, I've noticed that there is some phasing which is taking out some of the oscillations. Bellow is a picture of what I'm referring to:

The red sample is my resample and the rest should be fairly obvious.

I've also included a screen shot of the bassnectar kick form here we go:


There is some white noise and other FX occurring during the bassnecar kick so, this wave shape is not 100% just the kick. I do know my transients are not nearly as tight as his but that's not really my concern right now. I'd really appreciate it if someone could help explain how I can get a full sub tail without any phasing. Thanks guys!

[Hashkey]

Hey! Don't be scared to draw a volume envelope to that kick and resample it.

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^Yea, I was going to say, if you want just the transient of the 909 and the sub tail of the 808, I'd use a volume envelope on the samples. If they are phasing doesn't that mean there is some kind of frequency overlap in the samples that is causing things to cancel out? Maybe if you pitched up the 909 a bit it'd stop the phasing?

I know you are probably listening to the kick and not just looking. But ears trump eyes, just a friendly reminder.

[eyeatus]

what's your email?

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by the looks of it the kicks aren't phase aligned either, try doing that as well. if that fails, definitely go the volume envelope route.

[Crimsonghost]

So how would he go about doing that? Stretching the sample to match transients?

Just curious.

[azuk]

I've done stuff like this in the past, but the way I do it is to cut it up into a bunch of slice in Edison then match them up using slicex.

For example, if 909 slice 1 has a similar transient to 808 slice 10 then I'll play them at the same time. I repeat this for every slice, then I compress and EQ them. I bounce them out and do whatever more I need to do (layer in another kick, compression, pitching it up,)/

[Sartoris]

So how would he go about doing that? Stretching the sample to match transients?

Just curious.

by the looks of it the kicks aren't phase aligned either, try doing that as well. if that fails, definitely go the volume envelope route.

So lining up the wave forms so they would fit inside of each other was my assumption about the processing, although it has been easier said than done. The 909's transients are much tighter because it is a higher pitched signal than the 808. I've tried transposing the samples to get them lined up but unless I resort to a 20+semitone transposition, then the samples will still be out of a phase somewhere along the sample.

I've been using ableton's "fades" (essentially a built in volume envelope, for non ableton users) to shape the sound and have come to some decent results. like I said in the original post, the sound is actually quite close to the bassnectar sample I referred to. I am still apprehensive to use my resample though because it sounds ok in my shitty room on my mediocre monitors....When it comes to a big system in a big room, those phased out waves are gonna make a huge difference (I think). I want to keep that tail a really solid sine that moves in and out like the bassnectar sample I provided.

And thanks for the feedback guys! I've got some ideas to work with, I'll post the results.

what's your email?

thesartoris@gmail.com

[Hashkey]

For the Transient you could use the shaack transient shaper.
I suggest you should Eq out the sub in the 909 kick to make room for the 808.
With envelopes clear the attack of 808 around 15-20 MS a bit less for 909.

Btw I recreated the kick and sounds pretty similar, if you want it I can post it on media fire.

[ehbes]

Why not just use a less clicky 808 sample... Seems a lot easy then what you all are describing

[SunkLo]

It actually looks like it's the third kick sample that's causing that big dip. Try flipping the polarity. I'd work on getting the 808 and 909 sitting properly and then add in the third kick. Definitely use some envelopes and filtering. Phase align the transition points between samples. So if you want both the 808 and 909 playing together from the transient, align them there. If you're gonna fade in the 808 for punch instead of click, align them at that point instead. The fact that they have different pitch envelopes means they're not gonna be in phase the whole time but you can line up some peaks at a crucial point where they need to add together.

For the tail, I'd either choose one sample and fade out the others, or try to get a perfect pitch match. Again, the volume envelopes aren't the same so there's gonna be some phasing. If they were identical though, it'd just sound like one kick drum anyway. You want there to be some interaction to have the qualities of both samples. You can segment up the samples into sections and try to sync them in discrete portions. I'm not familiar with Ableton's audio editing, but in Reaper I'd slice into sections at zero-crossings and then alt-drag clips to timestretch to the right proportions. Crossfade all the sections together to make it sound smooth and you should be good.

[Hashkey]

http://www.megafileupload.com/en/file/4 ... k-wav.html

There you go. I think It's pretty similar
I've left a lot of tail in it, do what you prefer with it.