Devilsindub wrote:I'm a fan of modern dubstep. I know a lot of people are going to be all pissed off and start chatting shit at me for that comment but I can't help it. I'm a metal head at heart so naturally I love the aggressive feel of modern American dubstep. I absolutely love the science behind sound design in electronic music, which is something you just don't get with metal. So staying true to my roots while incorporating my love for sound design is definitely appealing to me. It's not a thing of, oh I want to sound like Skrillex, oh I want to sound like every other producer that is making a shit load of cash so I can in return make a shit load of cash. It's about keeping it real with yourself no matter if it makes people's ears bleed. Metal heads are partial to modern dubstep, or as a lot of you call Brostep because it's heavy as hell, triplets included, and has a wider range of fans. The smaller scale of fans in the metal world is the reason why a lot of metal musicians give up because they simply can't afford it. Modern dubstep is a way for metal musicians , like myself, to play something that has similar aggression, and possibly have more success in terms of making a profit. I'm not trying to affenpinscher anybody I'm just putting in my two sense.
nobody will give you shit for that comment, they will give you shit for that lame ass reasoning behind it
"If your chest ain't rattlin it ain't happenin'" - DJ Pinch
"Move pples bodies and stimulate their minds"
we just ride the wave
Life sucks; Get used² it.
obligatory luke envoy/vex'd/broken note/bong ra/ scorn/lorn/distance/search & destroy/ darqwan/king cannibal/milanese/etc post
"If your chest ain't rattlin it ain't happenin'" - DJ Pinch
"Move pples bodies and stimulate their minds"
we just ride the wave
Life sucks; Get used² it.
Reverb wrote:way more aggressive than any brostep song and isnt shitty
I whole heatedly disagree that that is aggressive. Messugah, lamb of god, sikth, and Threat Signal are aggressive. Their equivalent in terms of electronic music would be Excision, Skrillex, Kill the Noise, Schoolboy, Seamless, ect.. All producers that are fans of metal but produce dubstep.
Devilsindub wrote:I'm a fan of modern dubstep. I know a lot of people are going to be all pissed off and start chatting shit at me for that comment but I can't help it. I'm a metal head at heart so naturally I love the aggressive feel of modern American dubstep. I absolutely love the science behind sound design in electronic music, which is something you just don't get with metal. So staying true to my roots while incorporating my love for sound design is definitely appealing to me. It's not a thing of, oh I want to sound like Skrillex, oh I want to sound like every other producer that is making a shit load of cash so I can in return make a shit load of cash. It's about keeping it real with yourself no matter if it makes people's ears bleed. Metal heads are partial to modern dubstep, or as a lot of you call Brostep because it's heavy as hell, triplets included, and has a wider range of fans. The smaller scale of fans in the metal world is the reason why a lot of metal musicians give up because they simply can't afford it. Modern dubstep is a way for metal musicians , like myself, to play something that has similar aggression, and possibly have more success in terms of making a profit. I'm not trying to affenpinscher anybody I'm just putting in my two sense.
nobody will give you shit for that comment, they will give you shit for that lame ass reasoning
Reverb wrote:way more aggressive than any brostep song and isnt shitty
I whole heatedly disagree that that is aggressive. Messugah, lamb of god, sikth, and Threat Signal are aggressive. Their equivalent in terms of electronic music would be Excision, Skrillex, Kill the Noise, Schoolboy, Seamless, ect.. All producers that are fans of metal but produce dubstep.
Devilsindub wrote:I'm a fan of modern dubstep. I know a lot of people are going to be all pissed off and start chatting shit at me for that comment but I can't help it. I'm a metal head at heart so naturally I love the aggressive feel of modern American dubstep. I absolutely love the science behind sound design in electronic music, which is something you just don't get with metal. So staying true to my roots while incorporating my love for sound design is definitely appealing to me. It's not a thing of, oh I want to sound like Skrillex, oh I want to sound like every other producer that is making a shit load of cash so I can in return make a shit load of cash. It's about keeping it real with yourself no matter if it makes people's ears bleed. Metal heads are partial to modern dubstep, or as a lot of you call Brostep because it's heavy as hell, triplets included, and has a wider range of fans. The smaller scale of fans in the metal world is the reason why a lot of metal musicians give up because they simply can't afford it. Modern dubstep is a way for metal musicians , like myself, to play something that has similar aggression, and possibly have more success in terms of making a profit. I'm not trying to affenpinscher anybody I'm just putting in my two sense.
I'm massively into metal, I play drums in a thrash band and used to be in a death-metal band (well deathcore if we're splitting hairs) but I totally disagree with you, brostep isn't genuinely aggressive, it's over the top to the point of being rather comical, it's cheesy! There's no genuine sense of of menace or aggression to it, it's just obnoxious rather than genuinely terrifying whereas stuff like vex'd is aggressive as fuck and still has that dark, oppressive, menacing atmosphere to it! Compare Vex'd or Distance to Skrillex and tell me which is the harder hitting, scarier sound!
imami wrote:i put secret donks in all my tunes, just low enough so you can't hear them
Devilsindub wrote:I'm a fan of modern dubstep. I know a lot of people are going to be all pissed off and start chatting shit at me for that comment but I can't help it. I'm a metal head at heart so naturally I love the aggressive feel of modern American dubstep. I absolutely love the science behind sound design in electronic music, which is something you just don't get with metal. So staying true to my roots while incorporating my love for sound design is definitely appealing to me. It's not a thing of, oh I want to sound like Skrillex, oh I want to sound like every other producer that is making a shit load of cash so I can in return make a shit load of cash. It's about keeping it real with yourself no matter if it makes people's ears bleed. Metal heads are partial to modern dubstep, or as a lot of you call Brostep because it's heavy as hell, triplets included, and has a wider range of fans. The smaller scale of fans in the metal world is the reason why a lot of metal musicians give up because they simply can't afford it. Modern dubstep is a way for metal musicians , like myself, to play something that has similar aggression, and possibly have more success in terms of making a profit. I'm not trying to affenpinscher anybody I'm just putting in my two sense.
I'm massively into metal, I play drums in a thrash band and used to be in a death-metal band (well deathcore if we're splitting hairs) but I totally disagree with you, brostep isn't genuinely aggressive, it's over the top to the point of being rather comical, it's cheesy! There's no genuine
sense of of menace or aggression to it, it's just obnoxious rather than genuinely terrifying
whereas stuff like vex'd is aggressive as fuck and still has that dark, oppressive, menacing
atmosphere to it! Compare Vex'd or Distance to Skrillex and tell me which is the harder hitting,
scarier sound!
Just like electronic music there are several types of metal. I'm into math technical odd timed metal. Which I feel that a lot of modern American dubstep conveys quite well. Skrillex probably isn't the best example, in which I did use him as an example and now retract slightly, because he adds a lot of pop influence. I'm speaking specifically of incorporating metal into dubstep ie triplets, loud distorted sounds, odd time signatures, and half time drops. Which half time drops are the biggest reason why metal gives me the punch a baby feeling. When a band goes from full time blast beats to a half time drop into triplets I want to destroy something beautiful. It pumps me up. I think a lot of modern American dubstep does the job pretty well. All of my metal head friends agree that modern American dubstep is acceptable due to it being similarly brutal.
I'm sorry reverb man I'm not trying to be a dick but were you being sarcastic? Really dude I'm not trying to patronize you in any way I'm sincerely curious.
I'm also into technical, weird time sig metal, you even mentioned one of my favourite bands, Sikth. I still don't think 'modern dubstep' as you call it conveys that aesthetic at all, it just sounds over the top and comical to me, there's plenty of hard hitting, aggressive dubstep about but the style thats predominant in america doesn't sound that aggressive to me at all, it sounds almost like a bad parody of genuine aggression
Feel free to link me to some tunes in that style that you'd say have that hard hitting aggression too them, I'd genuinely be interested in hearing exactly what sort of stuff you're saying has that metal influence
imami wrote:i put secret donks in all my tunes, just low enough so you can't hear them
particle-jim wrote:I'm also into technical, weird time sig metal, you even mentioned one of my favourite bands, Sikth. I still don't think 'modern dubstep' as you call it conveys that aesthetic at all, it just sounds over the top and comical to me, there's plenty of hard hitting, aggressive dubstep about but the style thats predominant in america doesn't sound that aggressive to me at all, it sounds almost like a bad parody of genuine aggression
Feel free to link me to some tunes in that style that you'd say have that hard hitting aggression too them, I'd genuinely be interested in hearing exactly what sort of stuff you're saying has that metal influence
Sykth was fucking amazing! Too bad they're not around anymore . The one place I can direct you to is "the most brutal drops" on YouTube. Can't give you a link because I'm on an iPad and it will crash if I try. Excision is a good example. Also check out schoolboy. Some of their stuff has pretty heavy metal influences. I don't know a lot of the producers names on the brutal drops comp but it has some really good stuff on it. On the front page of that comp you'll see half of a chicks face, with all the saturation taken out, with bright red blood streaks running down her. Did you ever see Sykth live?
Devilsindub wrote:Just like electronic music there are several types of metal. I'm into math technical odd timed metal. Which I feel that a lot of modern American dubstep conveys quite well. Skrillex probably isn't the best example, in which I did use him as an example and now retract slightly, because he adds a lot of pop influence. I'm speaking specifically of incorporating metal into dubstep ie triplets, loud distorted sounds, odd time signatures, and half time drops. Which half time drops are the biggest reason why metal gives me the punch a baby feeling. When a band goes from full time blast beats to a half time drop into triplets I want to destroy something beautiful. It pumps me up. I think a lot of modern American dubstep does the job pretty well. All of my metal head friends agree that modern American dubstep is acceptable due to it being similarly brutal.
Holy fuck metal heads are pretentious... How narrow-minded do you have to be to only consider music 'acceptable' if it's heavy and loaded with cheesy aggression?
As for the triplets, distorted sounds and and half-time drops, they've all been signature sounds in dubstep that has nothing do with metal since about 2005. Odd time signatures? I've never heard a single dubstep tune that wasn't in 4/4, show me something otherwise if you can.
And you've really gotta stop referring to it as 'modern dubstep', it's a meaningless term. This is also modern dubstep, is this what you're referring to?
I'm also just gonna leave this here, RE the aggression thing...
Devilsindub wrote:Just like electronic music there are several types of metal. I'm into math technical odd timed metal. Which I feel that a lot of modern American dubstep conveys quite well. Skrillex probably isn't the best example, in which I did use him as an example and now retract slightly, because he adds a lot of pop influence. I'm speaking specifically of incorporating metal into dubstep ie triplets, loud distorted sounds, odd time signatures, and half time drops. Which half time drops are the biggest reason why metal gives me the punch a baby feeling. When a band goes from full time blast beats to a half time drop into triplets I want to destroy something beautiful. It pumps me up. I think a lot of modern American dubstep does the job pretty well. All of my metal head friends agree that modern American dubstep is acceptable due to it being similarly brutal.
Holy fuck metal heads are pretentious... How narrow-minded do you have to be to only consider music 'acceptable' if it's heavy and loaded with cheesy aggression?
As for the triplets, distorted sounds and and half-time drops, they've all been signature sounds in dubstep that has nothing do with metal since about 2005. Odd time signatures? I've never heard a single dubstep tune that wasn't in 4/4, show me something otherwise if you can.
And you've really gotta stop referring to it as 'modern dubstep', it's a meaningless term. This is also modern dubstep, is this what you're referring to?
I'm also just gonna leave this here, RE the aggression thing...
Wow dude you're a fucking idiot! No one said anything about, "music isn't good unless it's heavy". Where the hell did you get that from? I love all genres of music. Metal is just my favorite. That doesn't mean I discredit other genres. In terms of odd time signatures, the basses in "modern dubstep" are timed odd. They're not always on the downbeat. On the topic of calling it "modern dubstep" it's so I don't have to call it Brostep. Brostep is a deragotory term. I am in no way a fucking flat hat, lifted truck, oversized belt buckled, wannabe gangster. I like the YouTube links you posted though.
And macavelli, I apologize for calling you an idiot man. Your comment about metal heads being pretentious just pissed me off man. That was narrow minded IMO. Anyhow, I like to keep things positive so no hard feelings.
Devilsindub wrote:And macavelli, I apologize for calling you an idiot man. Your comment about metal heads being pretentious just pissed me off man. That was narrow minded IMO. Anyhow, I like to keep things positive so no hard feelings.
Apology accepted man, and to be fair I was generalising way too much calling all metal heads pretentious so sorry for the inflammatory words. But you did say "All of my metal head friends agree that modern American dubstep is acceptable due to it being similarly brutal", which essentially reads as "We can't accept music unless it's brutal." So surely you can see how I interpreted it that way. And I have met quite a few metal heads who literally only listen to metal and classical music, then walk around acting like they're superior to everyone else. I'm glad you're not one of them.
As for the time signatures thing, you're just using the term wrong. You're just talking about rhythms, time signature refers to how many beats are in a bar, and the vast majority of popular Western music is in 4/4.
. The one place I can direct you to is "the most brutal drops" on YouTube. Can't give you a link because I'm on an iPad and it will crash if I try. Excision is a good example. Also check out schoolboy. Some of their stuff has pretty heavy metal influences. I don't know a lot of the producers names on the brutal drops comp but it has some really good stuff on it. On the front page of that comp you'll see half of a chicks face, with all the saturation taken out, with bright red blood streaks running down her. Did you ever see Sykth live?
