Junglists getting angry about people jumping ships !

auralassassin · Post by **auralassassin** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:24 pm

with dubstep, I tend to describe it to people like this...

take the break from a breaks track and use that pattern on your bassline... take the bassline from a breaks track and use that pattern for your beat...

filter and bounce and you've got dubstep

intoccabile · Post by **intoccabile** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:36 pm

Skream, as far as I know, is not a dnb convert, a jaded juglist who was looking for something else then found dubstep. But if you listen to his first mix......!

There's a tune near the middle of the mix that sounds like neurofunk with a dancehall rhythm. I kid you not. The bassline sounds like a neurofunk bassline to me, with the filter + subtle pitch bend action... those who have the mix will know which one I'm babbling about.

And everyone here has heard the dubchild, search and destroy ( the flip to killimanjaro ! ), distance bits, etc.

What I mean to say is that from a producer's point of view, dnb and dubstep are not two separate islands.... we share a lot of production methods and that's why I think it is so easy for dnb producers to start making dubstep ( they simply have to apply what they have learned from dnb outside of dnb ).

der mac · Post by **der mac** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:37 pm

Junglists are to 99% angry about everything whats different or not different. totally nuts. watch the Scenes in the world. I think the british scene is almost the healthiest.

watch the german scene, like a small village, everyone pisses on the other and a lot of peeps, DJ`s, Promoters, Sceneheadz are smiling to the upper.

"I got 2 be friendly cause i want 2 play on his party with all these big names or anything else"

or kickin down to those who do their realy own thing and dont need big acts and big sponsors and bla bla.

german producers sell their stuff in the whole world but not in G. The scene is not the youngest and there are really good working guys but they get no respect from the massive. Maybe is it the mentality, always looking for the next sensation from the Moon. I dont want 2 fuck up the british scene, they are definitely the originators of modern breakz, i fuck up the german scene and government. The whole society is like that.

How do you want to do something really new in your area when nobody wants it? only a little bit of your own influence and nobody wants it. Then comes something like "Thats not true, what should i do with this? Is that signed on Virus?, crap, bla bla"

Is that in other countries the same???? I wonder if.

The techno Scene is the only one that works in G. u know, sven Väth and stuff.

sorry, absolutely offtopic, i get from this into that.n

Noisia from the NL
marky Brazil
Pendulum Australia
D Kay Austria
teebee Norway

germany?? maybe bassface Sascha, but he stays in his country, not really representative in the international Scene. A few other peeps who do their own thing in selfpromotion. but not really succeed in the own rows. realy sad about that. phace comes up for renegade hardware.

No tell me how to do something "new" like Dstep in such a country. OK, in Berlin is a likkle scene, i think Berlin is the most open minded city in G. Or Munich.

looking for the future

ghettobot · Post by **ghettobot** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:37 am

der mac · Post by **der mac** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:01 am

oh yes, i would response with the same words

auralassassin · Post by **auralassassin** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 2:04 am

If anything, all the heads leaving DnB would be a wakeup call for DnB to start upping producting values... it's sink or swim time. Eventually everyone got tired of hearing the same track by the same producers, and now they are going to be moving on...

Now is a good chance for DnB to start thinking about what direction it's going to go in--make your play, Dogs... because at the rate they are at, there will only be those who aren't knowledgable about the roots of Jungle/DnB producing... eventually, people will stop sampling old Jungle records and old funk records and start sampling other DnB(they already are!!!) and then, they will only have the newer samples of DnB to sample from.

It's getting progressively worse and worse... or should I say REgressively worse.

j_j · Post by **j_j** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 2:19 am

Dept of Hell Science wrote:fuck me that is so close to being dubstep it's not funny !!!

...no wonder d'n'b producers are finding it so easy to do dubstep

they prolly got shitloads of sub par tunes that just need to be pitched down to 140bpm, chuck the wack rolling beat away, put in a half step then dress it up again...

...i can see the true 2step/breaks inpired dubstep becoming squeezed in favour of lowest common denominator stuff being produced to satisfy the nu converts

and the convert d'n'b producers bringing their own fanbase across as well...

like "oh tech itch is into it and making it so it must be good..."

...errr use your own fucking judgment fella

be easy to cash in on your hi dnb profile if you was to broaden your genre production to include dubstep so they'd be stupid to change identities...

...which is weird when you get true break/dubsteppas being all mysterious about making stuff that doesn't fit the mould of their previous efforts

then again we're thinknig of reincarnating as well to allow for our more spiritual side

amazingly .i agree with you . a new day cometh !

unlikely · Post by **unlikely** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 2:29 am

fuckin hell.. over 1000 views, must be a lot of pissed off junglists out there

der mac · Post by **der mac** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 2:50 am

definitely. but not pissed off by Dstep. Pissed off by stupid D&B politics

doomstep · Post by **doomstep** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 4:24 am

J_J wrote:
Dept of Hell Science wrote:fuck me that is so close to being dubstep it's not funny !!!

...no wonder d'n'b producers are finding it so easy to do dubstep

they prolly got shitloads of sub par tunes that just need to be pitched down to 140bpm, chuck the wack rolling beat away, put in a half step then dress it up again...

...i can see the true 2step/breaks inpired dubstep becoming squeezed in favour of lowest common denominator stuff being produced to satisfy the nu converts

and the convert d'n'b producers bringing their own fanbase across as well...

like "oh tech itch is into it and making it so it must be good..."

...errr use your own fucking judgment fella

be easy to cash in on your hi dnb profile if you was to broaden your genre production to include dubstep so they'd be stupid to change identities...

...which is weird when you get true break/dubsteppas being all mysterious about making stuff that doesn't fit the mould of their previous efforts

then again we're thinknig of reincarnating as well to allow for our more spiritual side

amazingly .i agree with you . a new day cometh !

sandeman · Post by **sandeman** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 5:10 pm

Jungle/Liquid Funk/D'n'B - it's all good.

Two Step/UK Garage/Clown step - it's all good.

Dubstep/Chest bass/sub bass - it's all good.

that's all

DONT BE HATIN'!!!!!!!!!

threnody · Post by **threnody** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 5:44 pm

I really like parado. Wicked chopped breaks. Not feeling his epic vocal stuff tho and that crossover with robert someone was awful....sometimes too many amens tho and that goes across that part of the scene. Still feeling a lot!

I also check out evol intent, ewun and that side of things although there isn't much variation so i don't buy much. I remember their 1st release on outbreak slew me and still does.

Very very hit and miss but some great tunes from the history and even the present!

dramageddon · Post by **dramageddon** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:13 pm

I used to make DnB but stopped about 6 years ago.. been trying to make DnB for the last 3 years again but get bored with it and scrap it and roll out electronic/detroit beats.. got 1 DnB bit coming out in a couple of months.. but have only recently stumbled across dubstep and Im blown away! no fucking stupid boundries restricting my creativity and at a sensible tempo!

It seems to be all the old DnB heads that are still searching for the sound they grew up with that are converting.. and too right who wants to listen to a 180bpm+ set filled with euro basslines.. no thanks!

(dont get me wrong there still is a small handful of decent producers pushing really nice tracks, but It just get buried by the huge mass of wank tracks)

skosh · Post by **skosh** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 7:37 am

euro basslines? please explain, sounds good to me ;o)

dramageddon · Post by **dramageddon** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:12 am

skosh wrote:euro basslines? please explain, sounds good to me ;o)

When I say euro basslines Im refering to the use of layered Reece style basslines played in silly trance anthem patterns.

I know its not all like that, but it's 30% weak liquid, 30% terrible amen/reece noise, 30% jump-up clown shit and 10% decent dNb.
and that 10% is not enough to keep alot of the old skoolers interested as alot of the argument is that dNb is now too fast and/or there is not enough space to let the music breathe.

skosh · Post by **skosh** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:27 am

DramaGeddon wrote:
skosh wrote:euro basslines? please explain, sounds good to me ;o)
When I say euro basslines Im refering to the use of layered Reece style basslines played in silly trance anthem patterns.

I know its not all like that, but it's 30% weak liquid, 30% terrible amen/reece noise, 30% jump-up clown shit and 10% decent dNb.
and that 10% is not enough to keep alot of the old skoolers interested as alot of the argument is that dNb is now too fast and/or there is not enough space to let the music breathe.

depends what you're hearing i suppose, some of the best dnb is coming from europe imo apart from uk which imo on the whole is shit

i probably dislike about 80% of dnb but there's 20% i absolutely love and that's enough to keep me going for the moment ;o)

...and it's possbile to like more than one genre at a time thankfully, so this dubstep shit is growin on me

dramageddon · Post by **dramageddon** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:40 am

skosh wrote:
DramaGeddon wrote:
skosh wrote:euro basslines? please explain, sounds good to me ;o)
When I say euro basslines Im refering to the use of layered Reece style basslines played in silly trance anthem patterns.

I know its not all like that, but it's 30% weak liquid, 30% terrible amen/reece noise, 30% jump-up clown shit and 10% decent dNb.
and that 10% is not enough to keep alot of the old skoolers interested as alot of the argument is that dNb is now too fast and/or there is not enough space to let the music breathe.
depends what you're hearing i suppose, some of the best dnb is coming from europe imo apart from uk which imo on the whole is shit

i probably dislike about 80% of dnb but there's 20% i absolutely love and that's enough to keep me going for the moment ;o)

...and it's possbile to like more than one genre at a time thankfully, so this dubstep shit is growin on me

Yea, Im by no way narrow minded with music. Its just that I grew up listening to hip hop /rap and that eventually turned to shit.. now DnB. it seems to be that some genres reach a sell by date!!?
I love Warp stuff.. still so fresh!

showguns · Post by **showguns** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:48 am

i didn't know music was a contest.

skosh · Post by **skosh** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:51 am

DramaGeddon wrote:
Yea, Im by no way narrow minded with music. Its just that I grew up listening to hip hop /rap and that eventually turned to shit.. now DnB. it seems to be that some genres reach a sell by date!!?
I love Warp stuff.. still so fresh!

yeah i was into techno before dnb and there's only a small amount of that i like now too, but is it because it's turned to shit or is it because it expands so much that there is just more diversity (good and bad) and you have to search more for the stuff that sounds good to you? or maybe the mainstream just takes over and suffocates the rest ..i do know that because of whats "popular" it's difficult to hear the dnb i like where i live and that really pisses me off

paradigm_x · Post by **paradigm_x** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 9:19 am

DramaGeddon wrote: I know its not all like that, but it's 30% weak liquid, 30% terrible amen/reece noise, 30% jump-up clown shit and 10% decent dNb.

a very wise man once said 90% of everything is rubbish

worth a ponder.

I see dubstep as an addition to dnb, not a replacement. Give it time and all the things you hate about dnb will have come into dubstep.

Theres good music in all genres, just hard to find the good tracks. To my mind, as dubstep is so new, theres not that many tunes to go thru and therefore its easier to find the good stuff. DNB has been around what 12 years or so (dont want to get into an argument about hardcore/jungle/dnb terminology and dates) so theres far more stuff to wade thru. See above.

But im having a load of fun writing dubstep at the mo so i couldnt care less about ships, jumping or otherwise.

Peas

PDX

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