My DAW is better than yours! (Friendly DAW Wars debate)

[SunkLo]

Be pretty cool if they did a max for live thing and let people add onto reapers built in stuff

You can write your own JS plugins in javascript. There's also ReaScript which lets you write scripts in python, which you can then bind to a custom toolbar button or hotkey like any other action macro.

[titchbit]

Yeah, it's actually a good business move too because people are less likely to torrent a $60 daw than a $499 daw. I don't know the numbers but I wouldn't be surprised if they made just as much if not more money than other daws (controlling for quantity of users).

Im not sure if its really about a business move, to me it seems like its run buy a good company which is going for a practacal approach, i wouldnt say open source but easy affordable and very customizable work station.

It's always about money m8. Every thing in this world. Companies have to make a profit in order to survive.

[ehbes]

Every DAW is the same and all are good, but if you dont agree that mine is best then you are fucking wrong.

-every post in this thread

[Electric_Head]

Every DAW is the same and all are good, but if you dont agree that mine is best then you are fucking wrong.

-every post in this thread

Reason sucks though.

[AxeD]

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[Paddy McMurphy]

Nobody has yet named 5-10 TOP producers that use Reaper?

To be honest, Reaper sounds like the computer nerds DAW of choice, with all its programming and configuration options. Sure, if you want to mess around with that stuff, great. But for the pro who just wants to make music, there's simply no need to mess around in endless menus trying to emulate functions that other hosts do out of the box.

And yes, it is a cheap DAW. It comes with a tiny handful of plugins in comparison to Cubase, Logic or Ableton.

[Augment]

Nobody has yet named 5-10 TOP producers that use Reaper?

To be honest, Reaper sounds like the computer nerds DAW of choice, with all its programming and configuration options. Sure, if you want to mess around with that stuff, great. But for the pro who just wants to make music, there's simply no need to mess around in endless menus trying to emulate functions that other hosts do out of the box.

And yes, it is a cheap DAW. It comes with a tiny handful of plugins in comparison to Cubase, Logic or Ableton.

Im no reaper user, but I think you're not getting their point. It's not that you HAVE to make it look and work like another DAW, it's just that you have the option to do so if you want, and you can make it look like no other if that's what you want.

[RmoniK]

There's definitely some up and comers using reaper. The reason why they're not famous as fuck is because most people who are famous as fuck these days rushed into their career watching ableton or fl studio tutorials on youtube and aren't really looking for anything new or original to add to their music. That said, a lot of names in the dnb world use reaper (and studio one, seems to be getting very popular too).

Anyway, i've tried reaper myself, was pretty decent but i didn't really find anything it had that was all that superior to another DAW.

[titchbit]

To be honest, Reaper sounds like the computer nerds DAW of choice, with all its programming and configuration options.

That's always been my impression of Renoise users.

[Icetickle]

Anyone using StageLight by Open Labs? I think it's the newest and cheapest DAW atm.

http://us.openlabs.com/2013/index.php/p ... stagelight

Mike Shinoda being a contributor to the project, it must be good!

EDIT: Free 30 days demo version and yes it does support VSTs.

[nameless133]

Anyone using StageLight by Open Labs? I think it's the newest and cheapest DAW atm.

http://us.openlabs.com/2013/index.php/p ... stagelight

Mike Shinoda being a contributor to the project, it must be good!

EDIT: Free 30 days demo version and yes it does support VSTs.

I tried the demo on this summer, but this program looks like the MAGIX Music Maker, very simple DAW for beginners, that's all. It's just another hype for LP. Mike just gave his name for this one and that's all.

[Icetickle]

Anyone using StageLight by Open Labs? I think it's the newest and cheapest DAW atm.

http://us.openlabs.com/2013/index.php/p ... stagelight

Mike Shinoda being a contributor to the project, it must be good!

EDIT: Free 30 days demo version and yes it does support VSTs.

I tried the demo on this summer, but this program looks like the MAGIX Music Maker, very simple DAW for beginners, that's all. It's just another hype for LP. Mike just gave his name for this one and that's all.

Yeah I just tried the demo, way too simple for me D:

[ehbes]

Every DAW is the same and all are good, but if you dont agree that mine is best then you are fucking wrong.

-every post in this thread

Reason sucks though.

Yeah

[RmoniK]

Anyone on ardour? I'm thinking of switching to linux. Maybe i'll just wait for bitwig.

[nowaysj]

Every DAW is the same and all are good, but if you dont agree that mine is best then you are fucking wrong.

-every post in this thread

Reason sucks though.

Yeah

Agreed.

[SunkLo]

So I've been fucking with Ableton (blasphemy I know)
The routing seems really restrictive to me but maybe I'm just a dumb noob.

Let's say I've got 2 instrument tracks, I want to send both of them to a few other effects busses which also happen to receive from other tracks as well. But then I also want to send the two instrument tracks on to an instrument buss to compress them. Since the instrument buss is receiving multiple tracks, I can't route them from it's input, I have to route them via the individual tracks' outputs. But then that prevents me from also sending them to my effects busses. There's no way to route this is there? (Don't say the return tracks because there's only 2 of them)

Why can't it just be like Reaper where each track has an infinite number of sends and receives? It's so much simpler to just drag the I/O button between tracks you want to route together.

[titchbit]

First of all

So I've been fucking with Ableton

Now. The rest is hard to follow. I think you can do what you're trying to do in Ableton but I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to do, which might be due to a difference in reaper/ableton vocab.

Let's say I've got 2 instrument tracks, I want to send both of them to a few other effects busses which also happen to receive from other tracks as well. But then I also want to send the two instrument tracks on to an instrument buss to compress them.

Following you up to here. You can definitely do both of those things - the effect bus with a return, and a regular bus for compression or whatever with a group, another return (be sure to tick "sends only"), or an audio track.

Since the instrument buss is receiving multiple tracks, I can't route them from it's input, I have to route them via the individual tracks' outputs. But then that prevents me from also sending them to my effects busses. There's no way to route this is there?

This is where I lost you. Routing tracks to a group, an audio track, and to a return track are totally separate things and doing one does not preclude you from doing the others. You can route as many tracks to a group as you want, you can route a MIDI track to only one audio track, and you can also route tracks to as many returns as you want. Personally, I wouldn't bother routing to audio tracks if you can avoid it. Remember you can always use a return as a bus if you click sends only and just don't have any effects on it. Also highlighting 2+ tracks and clicking command + G will group them together. This is really the easiest way to create a bus.

(Don't say the return tracks because there's only 2 of them)

You can add as many return tracks as you want. Command + option + T (on mac).

[SunkLo]

You can add as many return tracks as you want. Command + option + T (on mac).

Oh well then, this changes everything.




Here it is in Reaper. GTR 1 and GTR 2 both go to the 2 delay tracks, as well as the GTR buss. Other Gay Audio also goes to both delay tracks.


In Ableton, I R confuse. GTR 1 & 2 go to my GTR buss but now I can't send them to my 2 Delay tracks (unless I implement them as returns?) So the only way is to create a bunch of return tracks and use the send knobs on each track? It's kind of cluttered having a dickload of send knobs on every track, but I see how it works now. I'm just going to have to be more explicit with the role of a track when I create it.

It's so much easier with agnostic tracks in Reaper. Doesn't matter whether it's midi, audio, both, return, buss, etc. A track is just a track. It can be routed and routed to from any other track.

Ableton is more like a classic mixer workflow, but that's an example of imposing the limits of hardware on a digital system where it's not necessary. Bitwig seems to be taking cues from Reaper with their routing system. Maybe Ableton will follow suit.

[titchbit]

Yeah implement your delays as return tracks. Plus you really should just group tracks. It's much easier and less tedious than routing shit to audio tracks.

Also the more you use Ableton, the more you learn other ways of "bussing," or achieving the effects of a bus, without setting up a conventional bus. Sometimes I have 6 instruments in a single MIDI track and then you can easily put reverb on all of them. If you want one of them to turn off through the course of the song, just automate the mute button. And you can use a drum rack as a bus and compress that. Then if you want a drum + bass bus, group your drum rack with your bass tracks, and EQ or whatever on that.

Then you can get real serious with putting instruments inside instrument racks inside drum racks inside instrument racks inside drum racks and apply bussing effects along the way. Its like inception.

[mks]

So I've been fucking with Ableton (blasphemy I know)

LOL, welcome to the dark side. Or maybe you've finally seen the light...

Routing in Live is incredibly intuitive once you get used to it. I switched fully to Ableton back in 2004 and haven't looked back. It was between Cubase and Live at that point and Live won hands down.

I still should try Reaper some day though.