russell brand paxman newsnight interview - political biz

[bennyfroobs]

[test_recordings]

Sick guy, Brand has really won my respect with his commitment to compassion. Don't agree with not voting though, you can't just vote and let MPs do everything with some guidance either

[wub]

Sick guy, Brand has really won my respect with his commitment to compassion.

Yeah, he's gone up massively in my estimations after this and that bit on American TV where he (rightly) takes the presenters apart for being twats. He's come a long way from being that annoying tnuc from Big Brother's Big Mouth back in the day.

[murky21]

a tiny bit disappointed he is so idealistic, didn't realise how anti-establishment he was until that vid.

Also his hate for disparity is flawed as he is fucking rolling in it yet not re-distrubuting his wealth. To preach a mantra u got to live by it to be fair.

still a big fan though, very sharp, very interesting and i'm glad he's out there posing questions and using his massive reach to get people thinking.

[Forum]

Someone posted yesterday, he can have the best political views in the world but it doesn't stop him being a prime bell tnuc

[garethom]

Also his hate for disparity is flawed as he is fucking rolling in it yet not re-distrubuting his wealth. To preach a mantra u got to live by it to be fair.

Yep.

Don't agree with not voting though, you can't just vote and let MPs do everything with some guidance either

Next election will be the first time I don't vote unless something massive changes. It's all admirable to take that view, but there is literally NO party I want to give any support to. Rock and a hard place.

[hutyluty]

To me, idk how you can criticise parliament unless you use your vote- even if it's just a protest vote for the monster loony party.

And this 'theyre all the same' everyone always spouts is bollocks too. Yes policies overlap, especially on national security and stuff but labour are much more welfare friendly (whether you think that's a good thing or not), pro-unions (ditto) and focussed on trying to raise living standards for people. They even voted differently on whether to go to war with syria to the tories.

[nowaysj]

Sure hope his Mercedes doesn't explode while doing 100 and then crash into a tree being burnt beyond recognition, or that he doesn't suddenly choose to commit suicide and shoot himself in the back of the head twice.

Juss playing, I don't think he is legit. Wish he was. He can handle himself though, can't he?

[garethom]

To me, idk how you can criticise parliament unless you use your vote- even if it's just a protest vote for the monster loony party.

And this 'theyre all the same' everyone always spouts is bollocks too. Yes policies overlap, especially on national security and stuff but labour are much more welfare friendly (whether you think that's a good thing or not), pro-unions (ditto) and focussed on trying to raise living standards for people. They even voted differently on whether to go to war with syria to the tories.

I don't think they're all the same. I just don't really like any of them. Of course you can criticise them! I dislike them all so much that I don't want to support any of them. That's the biggest criticism surely? Not gonna vote for someone to spite "the other side" because I don't like any of them.

[bennyfroobs]

Also his hate for disparity is flawed as he is fucking rolling in it yet not re-distrubuting his wealth. To preach a mantra u got to live by it to be fair.

how do you know that? he might do it and not shout about it like all the other celebs** do

** fuckign h8 tghat word)

[hutyluty]

I'm not saying vote for one to spite the other side, i'm saying take a look at the policies of each and vote for the manifesto you agree with most- or indeed, disagree with least. It's not about disliking people or parties, it's your chance to have a say on where you want the country to go and if you don't take that chance then i don't think you have grounds for complaint if you disagree with the policies of the next five years.

And, if you don't want to vote for anyone then register a protest vote, it might seem pointless but if enough people do it the powers that be will take notice- just look at italy.

For the record though, i quite 'like' ed miliband. He's not perfect but i think he'd make a decent fist of running the country.

[garethom]

Meh, we'll agree to disagree then. Don't really need to go any further, completely see what you're saying, I just can't bring myself to put a cross in a box and support any of them (or show that I hate them the least).

[PinUp]

I'm with Garethom.

Lost all faith after the politicians chose their own coalition. What's the point in voting if they have the final say?

[hutyluty]

I'm with Garethom.

Lost all faith after the politicians chose their own coalition. What's the point in voting if they have the final say?

well that is the way it works if there's no majority from either party, otherwise a government trying to run as a minority would never be able to get anything done- coalitions are the norm in most European countries I believe. You also vote for someone to represent you, not for who you want to lead the country technically..

It's not really the system's fault that the lib dems basically achieved nothing in negotiations because they were so desperate for a taste of power.

[bennyfroobs]

To me, idk how you can criticise parliament unless you use your vote- even if it's just a protest vote for the monster loony party.

And this 'theyre all the same' everyone always spouts is bollocks too. Yes policies overlap, especially on national security and stuff but labour are much more welfare friendly (whether you think that's a good thing or not), pro-unions (ditto) and focussed on trying to raise living standards for people. They even voted differently on whether to go to war with syria to the tories.

dont agree with that first sentence at all, thats like saying u cant criticise music unless u produce (extreme example but u get my drift)

definitely agree with the "all the same stuff". tbh almost all of them are clueless rich public school farts born with a silver spoon up there arse, but ill 100% be voting labour next election, they defo look out for the little guy SLIGHTLY better.honestly still cant believe people actually voted for the tories after their history of being villianous self serving ploppers who disregard the needs of us proles. dullards believing their shti propaganda.

even moster raving looney party could do a better job at running the country than these bunch of idiots

the only time not voting would work if there was a massive wave of people doing it. unless people get their act together and ptrotest in an organised manner (a la Iceland 2012) its pointless to just arbitrarily go "lol theyre all dickheads, might as well throw away my vote and let the worst of the worst continue to fuck up the country". thats just a ridiculous thing to do

[garethom]

the only time not voting would work if there was a massive wave of people doing it.

35% of people didn't vote at the last election, feel like it's gonna be a lot higher next time.

EDIT: A turnout of 65% is 16% less than the turnout Iceland had this year and 19% less than they had in 2009.

[Sexual_Chocolate]

he reminds me of a stoner talking shit while passing the bong around.

not that his opinion is wrong, just the way he comes across.

[murky21]

non-voting gonna be a lot higher as everyone's fall back 'fuck it lets vote lib dem cos labour and tories are shitbags' option has been ruled out now as they finally have had a chance in the hot seat and nothing has changed and they have been proven to be equally shitbag

[Laszlo]

And this 'theyre all the same' everyone always spouts is bollocks too.

They are all the same though in regard to not what they do but how they go about doing what they're doing. Perhaps you could argue they are victims of the system they're operating in (the British political system is mash up, lets be fair), much like Carcetti in The Wire or Jim Hacker in Yes, Minister, but eventually, in order to operate within that system, they have to play by the system's rules. All the voting public see is the dirt they do and so "they're all the same" gets thrown about.

Haven't seen this interview, btw..

[garethom]

The thing that makes people think they're all the same is how quick many of them are to change their policies to get a quick win in the media.

Check the Browne Review about funding/cost of uni. Set up by labour, recommended removing caps on uni fees, was back by Ed Milliband when he wrote the labour manifesto in 2010. Coalition gets into power, recommendations from the Browne Review are actioned, massive uproar, and Milliband uses it to slate the current government during the demonstration, then a few months later, quietly slip into the news that actually, if labour were to get into power, they would maintain the £9000 fees.

Coalition has also flipped on a ridiculous amount of stuff too. I can't, in good faith, vote for a party that say they're going to do something, then completely reverse their stance on it. After the amount of reversals, and especially Lib Dems backing the increase in student fees, feel like trust in politicians is at an all time low.