Looking to get into FM synthesis.

Curfee · Post by **Curfee** » Sun Dec 08, 2013 11:43 pm

I've read several time that is is best to learn one or two synth inside and out, so my first choice was Massive, and I'd say it was a good one to start with. I love the ability to map different automation styles to almost anything, and I feel pretty comfortable with it by now, but I've heard lot of good things about FM synthesis, so that is where I'd look to go next.
I did the old "From FL studio to Ableton" thing, so I have both Operator and Sytrus. I've used operator for a few things and get the basic idea, but i don't like the automation in it nearly as much as massive. I've started poking around in Sytrus, and while it seems better than operator, I still don't like its UI that much (and I overall dislike producing in FL studio) I've heard a lot of good things about FM8, so I'm considering getting it. I also already know NI makes good stuff form my experience with Massive.The main thing im looking for is flexibility and UI

tl;dr FM8 vs Operator vs Sytrus

ChadDub · Post by **ChadDub** » Sun Dec 08, 2013 11:57 pm

someone explain why people go from fl to ableton

SunkLo · Post by **SunkLo** » Sun Dec 08, 2013 11:59 pm

FM8 does have multi-segment envelopes for each operator if that's what you're asking. Watch a intro tutorial to familiarize yourself with the interface.

Can't you just run Sytrus as a VSTi in Ableton?

ChadDub wrote:someone explain why people go from fl to ableton

Because FL is quite shit really.

ChadDub · Post by **ChadDub** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 12:11 am

SunkLo wrote:

ChadDub wrote:someone explain why people go from fl to ableton
Because FL is quite shit really.

I like it

Trichome · Post by **Trichome** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 12:15 am

SunkLo wrote:FL is quite shit really.

Curfee · Post by **Curfee** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 12:18 am

SunkLo wrote:FM8 does have multi-segment envelopes for each operator if that's what you're asking. Watch a intro tutorial to familiarize yourself with the interface.

Can't you just run Sytrus as a VSTi in Ableton?

Oh yeah, i guess I could lol. Still, i'll check out some tuts

SunkLo · Post by **SunkLo** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 12:24 am

ChadDub wrote:
SunkLo wrote:

ChadDub wrote:someone explain why people go from fl to ableton
Because FL is quite shit really.
I like it

That's alright, it's probably just because you like shit things.

Trichome · Post by **Trichome** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 12:26 am

FL still has the best step sequencer and piano roll out of all the daws.

SunkLo · Post by **SunkLo** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 12:47 am

Yeah I guess if you actually wanted to use a step sequencer... It's probably one of the only DAWs that still has one.
As for piano rolls, Reaper's is fantastic. Haven't learned all the tricks with Ableton's yet.

FL is terrible in a lot of other capacities. Having to route instruments to tracks is a pain in the dick, and having to scroll that little pattern selector to try and find a clip you're looking for? Eugh. It reminds me of all the bad aspects of having to patch together hardware boxes. It's got a few cool built in effects but a lot of them are garbage. Not enough to warrant having to use that floating mixer with tiny faders. If anything, just grab the few IL plugins that are decent and use them in a different host.

ChadDub · Post by **ChadDub** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 1:08 am

I name my patterns so i don't have trouble with that

Curfee · Post by **Curfee** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:53 am

SunkLo wrote: FL is terrible in a lot of other capacities. Having to route instruments to tracks is a pain in the dick, and having to scroll that little pattern selector to try and find a clip you're looking for? Eugh. It reminds me of all the bad aspects of having to patch together hardware boxes. It's got a few cool built in effects but a lot of them are garbage. Not enough to warrant having to use that floating mixer with tiny faders. If anything, just grab the few IL plugins that are decent and use them in a different host.

The only thing i really liked about FL was all the pretty colors. Im a sucker for pretty colors. (esp. in that EQ *3*)

hifi · Post by **hifi** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:00 am

just buy a cheap yamaha dx synth on craigslist, find a manual and you'll be set

Dustwyrm · Post by **Dustwyrm** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:35 pm

how quickly people dismiss world famous producers who use fl studio.

nubs

mthrfnk · Post by **mthrfnk** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:39 pm

SunkLo wrote:Yeah I guess if you actually wanted to use a step sequencer... It's probably one of the only DAWs that still has one.
As for piano rolls, Reaper's is fantastic. Haven't learned all the tricks with Ableton's yet.

FL is terrible in a lot of other capacities. Having to route instruments to tracks is a pain in the dick, and having to scroll that little pattern selector to try and find a clip you're looking for? Eugh. It reminds me of all the bad aspects of having to patch together hardware boxes. It's got a few cool built in effects but a lot of them are garbage. Not enough to warrant having to use that floating mixer with tiny faders. If anything, just grab the few IL plugins that are decent and use them in a different host.

I actually find most of these things really useful.

SunkLo · Post by **SunkLo** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:44 pm

Dustwyrm wrote:how quickly people dismiss world famous producers who use fl studio.

nubs

Oh some guy on beatport uses fl, that means I should like it.

fiveone · Post by **fiveone** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:36 pm

SunkLo wrote:
Dustwyrm wrote:how quickly people dismiss world famous producers who use fl studio.

nubs
Oh some guy on beatport uses fl, that means I should like it.

Dustwyrm · Post by **Dustwyrm** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:14 pm

SunkLo wrote:
Dustwyrm wrote:how quickly people dismiss world famous producers who use fl studio.

nubs
Oh some guy on beatport uses fl, that means I should like it.

I'm going to assume you're trolling

SunkLo · Post by **SunkLo** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:30 pm

Why would you assume that? You're not one of those guys who calls everything trolling are you?

re6ter · Post by **re6ter** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:13 pm

Fl seems to be like some kind of home garage project for some reason. Is that just me?

_Agu_ · Post by **_Agu_** » Wed Dec 11, 2013 12:47 am

re6ter wrote:Fl seems to be like some kind of home garage project for some reason. Is that just me?

Without downloading custom skins, it actually looks pretty shit in my opinion

Can't really say anything about stock plugins, because I was usually using stuff from Waves/Native Instruments/Rob Papen/Sugarbyte/CamelAudio (pirate bay was my friend) straight from the start

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