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"Comic Relief money invested in arms and tobacco shares"

Post by particle-jim » Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:09 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25273024
Millions of pounds donated to Comic Relief have been invested in shares in tobacco, alcohol and arms firms, BBC Panorama has learned. It includes £630,000 in shares in arms firm BAE Systems and more than £300,000 in alcohol manufacturer Diageo. The BBC has also seen evidence which suggests Save the Children censored criticism of energy firms to avoid upsetting corporate partners. Both charities deny any wrongdoing.

Comic Relief has raised nearly £1bn for worthwhile causes in the UK and abroad. It pays out the money it receives to other charities, sometimes over several years. That means Comic Relief holds tens of millions of pounds at any one time. The charity uses a number of managed funds which invests that money on the charity's behalf, including in the stock market. Panorama has learnt that between 2007 and 2009, some of these investments, amounting to millions of pounds, appear to contradict several of its core aims.

Despite its mission statement claiming it is committed to helping "people affected by conflict", in 2009 the charity had £630,000 invested in shares in weapons firm BAE Systems. Comic Relief also had more than £300,000 invested in shares in the alcohol industry despite its mission statement saying it is "working to reduce alcohol misuse and minimise alcohol related harm". The majority was invested in Diageo, which manufactures dozens of alcoholic drinks and was recently criticised by the Health Select Committee for exploiting weaknesses in the regulation of alcohol advertising. Comic Relief also appeals for money to fight Tuberculosis and has given over £300,000 to a charity called Target Tuberculosis. Target TB believes that smoking may be responsible for over 20% of TB cases worldwide. While raising funds in 2009, nearly £3m of Comic Relief money was invested in shares in tobacco companies.

During that time, entrepreneur and Dragon's Den star Duncan Bannatyne was a full trustee of Comic Relief. In 2008 he made a BBC documentary attacking a tobacco company for targeting African children. He told Panorama he "wouldn't put donors' money into tobacco companies" and said charities should invest ethically.
Bannatyne Duncan Bannatyne was a trustee of Comic Relief in 2009. Ethical fund manager Helen Wildsmith looks after the cash of thousands of charities. She said she was surprised that a charity as high profile as Comic Relief would risk its reputation and future donations.

"If people who've been giving them money, after watching the television, next year think twice and don't give that money, because they're concerned about their investment policy, then that could be argued to be a breach of fiduciary duty." Comic Relief has now changed the way it presents its accounts and it is currently impossible for the public to tell which funds the charity currently invests in. It declined to comment on whether any money invested since 2009 is in shares in alcohol, arms, or tobacco companies. Comic Relief said its approach is within regulatory guidelines. "We put the money into large managed funds, as many other leading charities and pension funds do," they said. "On balance, we believe this is the approach that will deliver the greatest benefits to the most vulnerable people."

Sam Younger, Charity Commission chief executive, said: "If a charity says 'we need to invest for the maximum financial return' that is right," "If they go on to say 'we therefore can't have an ethical investment policy', that's wrong," he said.

Panorama has also seen evidence to suggest that Save the Children censored its criticism of the energy industry to avoid upsetting potential and existing corporate partners. Its 10 year relationship with British Gas ended in November 2012 having yielded £1.5m. Dominic Nutt, its former head of news from 2007 to 2009, told the BBC that he was keen to campaign on the issue of rising energy prices when he worked at the charity but was stopped from doing so. "Every year I would prepare a line on that, to go to the media, to criticise British Gas. Every year, it would be quashed," he said. "It was a clear, 'We can't do that, because we take money from British Gas...' - that would have come down from on high."

Save the Children ran a fuel poverty campaign in January 2012 which criticised the Big Six Energy suppliers but it singled out British Gas as doing the most to help poorer families. Justin Forsyth, current CEO of Save the Children, said: "We would never decide not to campaign on something because of a corporate partnership." "And we're quite explicit when we go into these corporate partnerships that we won't muzzle our voice," he said.

Panorama has also seen internal emails from the Save the Children's Corporate Partnerships team, who were pitching to become EDF's charity partner - a deal which could have earned Save the Children £600,000 over three years. The emails raised concerns about risking a potential partnership with EDF by running a fuel poverty campaign. Justin Forsyth said: "With this specific case we were never going to launch a campaign on energy prices."
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Post by m8son666 » Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:14 am

loool this justifys my apathy for it everytime it comes around

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Post by test_recordings » Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:17 am

This stuff needs to be more transparent. People love it for that warm glow from 'helping out' then don't ever think about it after... no wonder this kind of stuff happens...
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Post by Forum » Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:19 am

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Post by nousd » Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:22 am

what's the prob?
arms & drugs manufacturers are "people affected by conflict"
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Post by garethom » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:20 pm

Reckon Lenny Henry can do me a good deal on some child soldiers?

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Post by scspkr99 » Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:53 pm

so there's other questions this raises like who's in charge of determining where the room for funding is across the charities it helps. There's millions sitting in accounts year on year and these are annual events so why are we raising money for causes where the money previously raised for those same causes is yet to be spent.

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Post by alphacat » Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:57 pm

This is what happens when you run charity as a business.

Capitalism cares about one thing; profit. Not people. This is why capitalism ruins music, medicine, and now charity.

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Post by Pedro Sánchez » Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:42 pm

alphacat wrote:This is what happens when you run charity as a business.

Capitalism cares about one thing; profit. Not people. This is why capitalism ruins music, medicine, and now charity.
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Post by ezza » Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:43 pm

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Post by Harkat » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:01 pm

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Post by scspkr99 » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:47 pm

alphacat wrote:This is what happens when you run charity as a business.

Capitalism cares about one thing; profit. Not people. This is why capitalism ruins music, medicine, and now charity.
You could go further and argue that capitalism creates the need for charity and I'd agree with you but given we live under a capitalist market I don't know what else charity is supposed to do.

That said there's no real reason for charities to hold the types of funding they seem to. There's either a problem with over funding and not having the mechanisms to actually deploy the money they've raised or they are raising money without a clear understanding of what it is going to be used for. In both cases it's diverting funds from charities that have room for funding and is as such contrary in many cases to the stated goals of the charity.

There's the potential to exploit economics though in order to give more effectively, there are definitely lessons charities can learn from business.

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Post by Muncey » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:17 pm

Whats more surprising to me is that this stuff still surprises people.

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Post by ultraspatial » Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:15 pm

alphacat wrote:This is what happens when you run charity as a business.

Capitalism cares about one thing; profit. Not people. This is why capitalism ruins music, medicine, and now charity.
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you can't blame an ideology/belief/system w/e for the actions of individuals m8

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Post by hubb » Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:31 pm

lol

you can't blame an ideology/belief/system w/e for the actions of individuals m8
Ofcourse you can and you have to aswell.
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Post by m8son666 » Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:35 pm

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Post by garethom » Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:36 pm

yes u do m8, thats what he said

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Post by m8son666 » Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:37 pm

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