'live' sets that aren't really live

[DJoe]

On the topic of technicals. Really I don't think it's that easy to beatmatch and cue exactly how you want to on nothing but two turntables and a mixer.
Part of that experience might be due to my 4 year old needles and dodgy pitchfaders though

This i'd love to see someone who claims beatmatching is easy try doing a set at a house party after they've banged some ket, with people knocking the shitty numarks they are mixing with making the records skip.

Beat matching isnt the hardest thing ever but being able to adapt so you can beatmatch in any situation is a skill that not many have. Some clubs can have a huge delay due the lack in monitors etc. so many different scenarios. A good Dj doesn't have to worry and spend loads of time beatmatching, detracting from the structure of the set, because they are good djs and have years of practice, not because they can press sync.

[RmoniK]

On the topic of technicals. Really I don't think it's that easy to beatmatch and cue exactly how you want to on nothing but two turntables and a mixer.
Part of that experience might be due to my 4 year old needles and dodgy pitchfaders though

This i'd love to see someone who claims beatmatching is easy try doing a set at a house party after they've banged some ket, with people knocking the shitty numarks they are mixing with making the records skip.

Beat matching isnt the hardest thing ever but being able to adapt so you can beatmatch in any situation is a skill that not many have. Some clubs can have a huge delay due the lack in monitors etc. so many different scenarios. A good Dj doesn't have to worry and spend loads of time beatmatching, detracting from the structure of the set, because they are good djs and have years of practice, not because they can press sync.

How is that a skill though? That's like someone being rewarded cause he can make mediocre pasta in a shitty kitchen. I just don't think beatmatching is still relevant these days. The only reason it even exists in the first place is cause there simply was no sync in the old days. That doesn't make it better.

[nowaysj]

This argument is boring, and for the sake of itself, imo.

Ocelots, I've heard you say some dumb things, very surprised you even know the name David Salle. What is up with you man?

[DJoe]

How is that a skill though? That's like someone being rewarded cause he can make mediocre pasta in a shitty kitchen. I just don't think beatmatching is still relevant these days. The only reason it even exists in the first place is cause there simply was no sync in the old days. That doesn't make it better.

no its like someone being rewarded for making good pasta in any kitchen regardless of how shit the kitchen is. Its relevant because its organic.

[AxeD]

Great now I want pasta.

[mks]

I'm hungry.

[nowaysj]

Not sure if you eat other animals, but I suggest beef broccoli tonight.

[Artie_Fufkin]

As long as good tunes(especially when how they originally sounded) aren't botched excessively by stupid effects(if the producer wanted a crappy flanger on the master, they would have done it themselves, beat repeat "remix", etc) and the mix flows well(energy/intensity/bass vs. chillout parts and tempo variation), I don't care how they do it. I understand how big of deal tune selection and crowd reaction is, but I feel like you should know what you're in for for the most part.

From what you said in the original post, wub, I'm getting that he's just using Ableton live and triggering like 4 bar loops or something? I'm not completely familiar with how sets are done in ableton, but I've messed with it a bit to know that the clip triggering doesn't require much skill in timing lol. I do understand your sentiment. And if it's wack, the fact that the 'live set jockey' had some 'higher' level of interaction with the music doesn't make it suck less.