I want to comepletely reboot my production

hardware, software, tips and tricks
Forum rules
By using this "Production" sub-forum, you acknowledge that you have read, understood and agreed with our terms of use for this site. Click HERE to read them. If you do not agree to our terms of use, you must exit this site immediately. We do not accept any responsibility for the content, submissions, information or links contained herein. Users posting content here, do so completely at their own risk.

Quick Link to Feedback Forum
Justiboi
Posts: 11
Joined: Thu Jul 04, 2013 3:56 pm

I want to comepletely reboot my production

Post by Justiboi » Fri Dec 13, 2013 7:44 am

Pretty much every time I try to make dubstep I fail. I can make chill stuff, but not dubstep. Dubstep is the reason I got into production, and I still greatly enjoy listening to it. What would be a good way to start over? I know EQing, compression, and the basic stuff, but my sound design has turned horrid, and I can't find good drums anymore. In addition, I simply cannot arrange basslines. It's either uncreative, or really bad. That, combined with my shit sound design, has been the reason I haven't finished any dubstep track in months. I really want to get back into it. How do I get rid of all my old habits?

wub
Posts: 34156
Joined: Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:11 pm
Location: Madrid
Contact:

Re: I want to comepletely reboot my production

Post by wub » Fri Dec 13, 2013 7:57 am

Delete all your samples and all your presets.

Unplug from the Internet completely.

Listen to every album you own & watch every DVD you own. Find something to sample in everything.

Get a field recorder and spend a weekend walking around your city making recordings.

No field recorder? Use your phone.

Make a 10 track album, with track 1 starting at 90bpm and increasing by 10bpm for each subsequent track.

Read up on and utilise the Oblique Strategies;
Read - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oblique_Strategies
Use - http://stoney.sb.org/eno/oblique.html

Read one of those 100 greatest albums lists, pick an album you haven't heard of, listen to it in it's entirety through headphones (they're usually on YouTube). Try to understand what makes it great, and listen to how it's arranged both in terms of individual tracks and as a whole.

Pick a random video on YouTube and write a soundtrack to it.

Seriously, unplug from the Internet.

Try and write a country song. Or freeform jazz. Or nosebleed gabber. Whatever is outside your comfort zone.

Make a tape of songs you like interspersed with tracks you've made. Listen to it with a friend. Talk about what you're listening to.

Drink green tea.

Take a track you like and slow it down 50% in something like Audacity, so you can listen and 'see' (via the waveform) how things interact with each other.

There are more.
These are just starters.
And there isn't really an end.

User avatar
Electric_Head
Posts: 16958
Joined: Tue May 11, 2010 9:59 am
Location: South of Africa
Contact:

Re: I want to comepletely reboot my production

Post by Electric_Head » Fri Dec 13, 2013 8:43 am

Try not to over think things.
You're most likely trying to produce a specific type of dubstep.
Stop doing that.
Make things with a dubstep flavor and allow it to flow from within.

You'll quickly create a sound that is more unique.
Image ImageImage Image
Image

User avatar
Simulant
Posts: 256
Joined: Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:36 pm

Re: I want to comepletely reboot my production

Post by Simulant » Fri Dec 13, 2013 9:06 am

wub wrote:Seriously, unplug from the Internet.
That's actually harder than it sounds these days. Most of us have smartphones, smart tv's, laptops etc that are continually connected. It's not like the old days when we had to make an effort to connect with a modem.
Image

wub
Posts: 34156
Joined: Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:11 pm
Location: Madrid
Contact:

Re: I want to comepletely reboot my production

Post by wub » Fri Dec 13, 2013 9:11 am

Simulant wrote:
wub wrote:Seriously, unplug from the Internet.
That's actually harder than it sounds these days.
It's not hard to turn off wireless on your laptop, mobile data off on your phone, etc. The physical act of disconnecting devices is easy, just a swipe/click and you're off. The only thing that would make it hard is a lack of willpower, IMO.

MikeyOhh
Posts: 68
Joined: Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:12 am

Re: I want to comepletely reboot my production

Post by MikeyOhh » Fri Dec 13, 2013 9:14 am

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

User avatar
Electric_Head
Posts: 16958
Joined: Tue May 11, 2010 9:59 am
Location: South of Africa
Contact:

Re: I want to comepletely reboot my production

Post by Electric_Head » Fri Dec 13, 2013 9:46 am

When I produce there is no way I will be on the internet.
Destroys your flow and totally detracts from the goal at hand.
Image ImageImage Image
Image

User avatar
Capture pt
Posts: 1294
Joined: Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:19 am
Location: Southampton

Re: I want to comepletely reboot my production

Post by Capture pt » Fri Dec 13, 2013 9:58 am

Pick a random video on YouTube and write a soundtrack to it.
Followed by
Seriously, unplug from the Internet.
:lol:


But seriously, dance music is hard to produce - don't get disheartened.

Personally I always like looking back in time. All the producers you hear grew up on garage and 2 step or even acid house or techno.

Listen to some heritage and understand where they came from. Learn the techniques of music past and you'll understand so much more about how modern dance music is made.

User avatar
Simulant
Posts: 256
Joined: Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:36 pm

Re: I want to comepletely reboot my production

Post by Simulant » Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:42 am

wub wrote:
Simulant wrote:
wub wrote:Seriously, unplug from the Internet.
That's actually harder than it sounds these days.
It's not hard to turn off wireless on your laptop, mobile data off on your phone, etc. The physical act of disconnecting devices is easy, just a swipe/click and you're off. The only thing that would make it hard is a lack of willpower, IMO.
And when you want to look something up, a switch/click and you're back on again lol. I Google stuff so frequently, I'm just used to having it around.

I tend to turn my phone off altogether when producing, I don't want to be taking calls. I don't answer the door either if I'm not expecting anyone.
Image

User avatar
SunkLo
Posts: 3428
Joined: Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:54 am
Location: Canadaland

Re: I want to comepletely reboot my production

Post by SunkLo » Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:34 pm

This is going to sound stupid/obvious. But if you're good at making chill stuff, make chill stuff. Forcing yourself into a certain genre is going to put a chokehold on your creative juices. Get an EP made of chill tracks and maybe once you're done, you'll feel like moving on to something different. All the producers I'm in love with make headphone music, not club bangers, so don't feel pressured into making some shit you're not feeling.

Also, it helps to separate sound design and composition duties. One is more technical whereas the other is more creative. There's elements of both in each of them but they're weighted differently. Record a bunch of audio from your synth while twisting knobs, then go in and chop it up into a sampler or save them in your sample folder. Then when it's time to compose you've got a bunch of one shots that you can sequence and chop further, or load into a sampler or additive synth like Alchemy or Harmor.

It also works for making homemade presets. Have all the interesting parameters already mapped to the macros or XY pads or whatever tools you have to modulate things. That way you can just drop em in and start fiddling right away. Not just limited to the synth, you can add in post-effects and save it as a track preset so you don't have to bother inserting an EQ or whatever when you're in the zone. Throw a couple effects on that might be useful, bypass em, and save the track preset. That way, when you think "shit this could use an overdrive though..." you just have to un-bypass it.
Blaze it -4.20dB
nowaysj wrote:Raising a girl in this jizz filled world is not the easiest thing.
Phigure wrote:I haven't heard such a beautiful thing since that time Jesus sang Untrue
If I ever get banned I'll come back as SpunkLo, just you mark my words.

User avatar
Dustwyrm
Posts: 422
Joined: Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:22 am
Location: Murrieta, Ca
Contact:

Re: I want to comepletely reboot my production

Post by Dustwyrm » Fri Dec 13, 2013 7:45 pm

OP I'm going to give you the best advice here.

Find a song you love, and try to replicate it on your DAW.

Not exactly, but follow the pattern (intro/build/drop/transition etc) Where there is a melody, make your own. Etc Etc

If you love Skrillex, find your favorite song by him and try to imitate it with your own twist.

There is nothing wrong with being influenced by other people. It's helpful for your growth to try and replicate those you admire. This is a great way to get on the right path for your own song. Guarantee it will sound nothing like the one you're using as basic framework.

Don't let others make you feel bad for that.
︻╦╤─ Dus†wyrm ─╤╦︻

Soundcloud

"The wobble is there more as a reminder that we are still in Dubstep territory, but right now we are chilling... " - Emm

User avatar
bennyfroobs
Posts: 4532
Joined: Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:52 am
Location: the rainy north

Re: I want to comepletely reboot my production

Post by bennyfroobs » Fri Dec 13, 2013 7:56 pm

^ bad advice
Image
TopManLurka wrote:FTR, requirements for being a 'head':

-you have to be youngsta
-you must have been in that infamous room of ten people.
-a DMZ release is preferable but not necessary.
-please note that being youngsta is mandatory.

User avatar
Dustwyrm
Posts: 422
Joined: Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:22 am
Location: Murrieta, Ca
Contact:

Re: I want to comepletely reboot my production

Post by Dustwyrm » Fri Dec 13, 2013 8:47 pm

bennyfroobs wrote:^ bad advice
Benny, care to share any of your own work?

The OP is lacking understanding on how to create a song. It's a bit daunting if you don't know what you're doing.

I'm not saying try and copy someone.

But use a song you like as a foundation on how basic song structure works. Hearing a bass, understanding how and when a melody can come in/out of the song. Learning how to organize a song by listening to other songs is key.
︻╦╤─ Dus†wyrm ─╤╦︻

Soundcloud

"The wobble is there more as a reminder that we are still in Dubstep territory, but right now we are chilling... " - Emm

Dastilla
Posts: 29
Joined: Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:16 pm
Contact:

Re: I want to comepletely reboot my production

Post by Dastilla » Fri Dec 13, 2013 9:00 pm

Basically what I did when I first started was I produced tunes as much as possible with just samples, loops and presets. Then I took about a year break so I could learn Ableton, Massive, sound design, EQ, music theory and basically everything you need to know. Now that I have started back up my production has increased soooo much. I have not used a single sample or preset after I came back, so that long break just spent learning really helped me a ton as a producer.
Dastilla

User avatar
bennyfroobs
Posts: 4532
Joined: Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:52 am
Location: the rainy north

Re: I want to comepletely reboot my production

Post by bennyfroobs » Fri Dec 13, 2013 9:20 pm

Dustwyrm wrote:
bennyfroobs wrote:^ bad advice
Benny, care to share any of your own work?

The OP is lacking understanding on how to create a song. It's a bit daunting if you don't know what you're doing.

I'm not saying try and copy someone.

But use a song you like as a foundation on how basic song structure works. Hearing a bass, understanding how and when a melody can come in/out of the song. Learning how to organize a song by listening to other songs is key.
i suggest u read OP again and then carefully consider why ur advice was bad
Image
TopManLurka wrote:FTR, requirements for being a 'head':

-you have to be youngsta
-you must have been in that infamous room of ten people.
-a DMZ release is preferable but not necessary.
-please note that being youngsta is mandatory.

ChadDub
Posts: 2234
Joined: Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:45 pm
Location: Whooping Crane

Re: I want to comepletely reboot my production

Post by ChadDub » Fri Dec 13, 2013 9:29 pm

I was in your situation when I first started producing. The reason I started producing was because I wanted to make dubstep, but as I got into it I realized I like making rap beats better, so that's what I make now. I'm too add/lazy to come up with my own presets so I just scroll through my nexus and sytrus until I find something that's what I want. I know the basics of synths like ADSR, the waveforms, etc. so I can tweak here and there when I want to, but tbh I just use presets.

User avatar
Dustwyrm
Posts: 422
Joined: Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:22 am
Location: Murrieta, Ca
Contact:

Re: I want to comepletely reboot my production

Post by Dustwyrm » Fri Dec 13, 2013 9:30 pm

bennyfroobs wrote:i suggest u read OP again and then carefully consider why ur advice was bad
...
Justiboi wrote:Pretty much every time I try to make dubstep I fail. I can make chill stuff, but not dubstep.

I suggest you reevaluate your reading comprehension skills before piping up, Benny Froobs.

Ultimately this guy wants to know how to make a song. Samples, eq, and compression, while mentioned, are irrelevant. The OP is confused at how he's attacking his dilemma. You're equally confused to think he wants to know where to get more drum samples at.

If you can't figure out how to make a song, something you should be familiar with, then sound design shouldn't even be in your vocabulary.
︻╦╤─ Dus†wyrm ─╤╦︻

Soundcloud

"The wobble is there more as a reminder that we are still in Dubstep territory, but right now we are chilling... " - Emm

User avatar
SunkLo
Posts: 3428
Joined: Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:54 am
Location: Canadaland

Re: I want to comepletely reboot my production

Post by SunkLo » Fri Dec 13, 2013 9:51 pm

Well he does say:
Justiboi wrote:my sound design has turned horrid, and I can't find good drums anymore.
To me it doesn't sound like he needs help doing macro arrangement, more along the lines of just getting a hot 8 bar loop that isn't boring. If he can get some sounds designed that he likes and gets some practice arranging them into parts that sound good, he can probably manage doing large scale arrangement like breaks and builds.
Blaze it -4.20dB
nowaysj wrote:Raising a girl in this jizz filled world is not the easiest thing.
Phigure wrote:I haven't heard such a beautiful thing since that time Jesus sang Untrue
If I ever get banned I'll come back as SpunkLo, just you mark my words.

User avatar
Dustwyrm
Posts: 422
Joined: Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:22 am
Location: Murrieta, Ca
Contact:

Re: I want to comepletely reboot my production

Post by Dustwyrm » Fri Dec 13, 2013 9:57 pm

Perhaps you're right, but when I saw: "I simply cannot arrange basslines. It's either uncreative, or really bad."

and

"Pretty much every time I try to make dubstep I fail."

Just sounds like the guy is asking the wrong question. If you can't arrange basslines, I don't think sound design is your problem.
︻╦╤─ Dus†wyrm ─╤╦︻

Soundcloud

"The wobble is there more as a reminder that we are still in Dubstep territory, but right now we are chilling... " - Emm

User avatar
SunkLo
Posts: 3428
Joined: Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:54 am
Location: Canadaland

Re: I want to comepletely reboot my production

Post by SunkLo » Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:06 pm

Well if the sounds you're trying to arrange are shite, I could see how you'd have trouble sequencing them into something that sounds good.
Blaze it -4.20dB
nowaysj wrote:Raising a girl in this jizz filled world is not the easiest thing.
Phigure wrote:I haven't heard such a beautiful thing since that time Jesus sang Untrue
If I ever get banned I'll come back as SpunkLo, just you mark my words.

Locked

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests