Existence of God

[Muncey]

you got a source saying its not infinite?

a real source

Yeah God told me.

Edit i got it completely wrong way round lol

[Laszlo]

Atheists

no God.

[scspkr99]

I think I'm basically the mirror image of you in that while I don't believe in God, I believe rational or logical debate on it is entirely pointless since God per definition is supernatural. If it is supernatural it lies beyond our perception and if it lies beyond our perception, it only exists as concepts we can't comprehend (and may not even directly affect us). So this is why I'm apathetic to the whole issue, since it's a pragmatic issue of 'I don't believe it affects me, so I don't care. And I have no issues with people who do believe in it. Just when they try to pose their belief as a logical or a rational claim. And I don't mean that in a negative way. Logic and rationality are tools like any other, they have their purpose, but they're still flawed. And one of their flaws is that they're still deeply rooted in our perception and capabilities that are limited by nature.

I think my issue with trying to debate God with logic is just using the wrong tools for the job and the clusterfuck of miscommunication that follows from it.

I agree with a lot of this. I tend to find discussions of God about the least interesting when there are irrefutable positions from both sides. We can't know and so I think we're better focusing on the stuff we can. There are interesting tangents however, whether we have justification for objective moral statements.

I also agree that it's annoying when people who believe in god use tools to which they aren't entitled. I can't use logic to defend God then claim logic transcends God because that's the equivalent of taking your ball home.

[magma]

The Final Proof of the non-Existence of God was proved by a Babel Fish.

Now, it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mind-bogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some have chosen to see it as the final proof of the NON-existence of God. The argument goes something like this:

"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."

"But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves that You exist, and so therefore You don't. QED"

"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.

"Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.

[syrup]

[Dub_freak]

I should really get around to reading hitchhikers guide to the galaxy.

[titchbit]

there are only infinite possibilities of things that are possible. god is by def. magical/impossible.

that would be if the universe is infinite. but from what i learned in school, the space that the universe exists in is infinite but the universe itself (ie the mass) is not infinite. it can expand infinitely but there is not an infinite amount of matter and therefore no infinite possibilities.

[OGLemon]

How can Jah not be real? Have you not seen yoga pants on a fat ass?

[ehbes]

How can Jah not be real? Have you not seen yoga pants on a fat ass?

[therapist]

The Final Proof of the non-Existence of God was proved by a Babel Fish.

Now, it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mind-bogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some have chosen to see it as the final proof of the NON-existence of God. The argument goes something like this:

"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."

"But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves that You exist, and so therefore You don't. QED"

"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.

"Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.

What is that thing the kids do? Quote for truth? Quote for cool? Whatever. Made my day.

[particle-jim]

The Final Proof of the non-Existence of God was proved by a Babel Fish.

Now, it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mind-bogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some have chosen to see it as the final proof of the NON-existence of God. The argument goes something like this:

"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."

"But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves that You exist, and so therefore You don't. QED"

"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.

"Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.