THE UGLY SIDE OF GRAFF*writers plz post.

Jubz · Post by **Jubz** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:42 pm

showguns wrote:
Step Correct wrote:
showguns wrote:
Step Correct wrote:You are never to old to bomb Freights.
lol but you stopped in 1997?
Yeah, I got busted and felt stupid. I was getting more into trying my hands at DJing.. But yeah freight bombs are where it's at and there are plenty of people over the age of 30 still doing it...pretty die hard but I respect that... Looking from the outside in, you could say that all of us DJs need to grow up as well. A bunch of grown ass men obsessed with an art form. It's just another dream to chase, a hobby if you will. Same shit, Except it involves possibly getting in trouble with the law which I suppose makes it immature? Thats what makes it all the more exciting though.
i'm not talking about the artistry i'm talking about the illegality of it. that shit is just dumb to do if youre over 18.

Can you provide some reasoning please.

quidz · Post by **quidz** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:22 pm

I am ignorant and decided not to read any of the previous argument about whether people should be doing this sort of thing or not..i just do it because i enjoy it...and dont really question it at this stage of my life.The same way the step has barged in my life pushing aside so many musical genres i listen to..is the same way graffiti has entered too.
some shit i did today at someones house.
http://bp1.blogger.com/_emoCFWj_nYc/Rv3 ... -h/315.JPG
something i did with a super soaker one messy night.

did this in melbourne a couple of months ago with some mates.

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This is a wall me and mates did on a sunday night on the tracks..I did the TNC with the clown.. i was painting the "travelling night circus" that night.

reppin my other crew gbak with a pirate style font..

cider on a freight train

spiro · Post by **spiro** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:23 pm

showguns wrote:if you're over 18 and still doing illegal graf you need to grow the fuck up. sorry if that offends anyone, but seriously, grow the fuck up and paint a canvas or something.

If growing up is equal to bowing down to rules defined by the established society, then how can I hope to ever grow up ?

Why is it more "grownup" to do canvases ?

I have been busted to many times now to still be painting, but every time I think of it, I feel like a looser ! THEY WON !
I wish I still kept on going, pure bombing style, to show everyone that we need a place for more than just economic interests !
Why should people that newer uses the parts of the city we paint, decide how it should look ? Why not the ones that live there ?

quidz · Post by **quidz** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:24 pm

sorry had problems with linking from a blog....anyone know how i can make em show??

spiro · Post by **spiro** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:37 pm

this how we do oslo style !

oslo:

barcelona:

oslo subway/train/tram:

step correct · Post by **step correct** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:42 pm

Oops, never claimed to have any authority or anything or took offense or argued. I'm just lil ol' me who happens to still be infatuated with graff. Thats it.

step correct · Post by **step correct** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:45 pm

Clean!

showguns · Post by **showguns** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 5:26 pm

Jubscarz wrote:
showguns wrote:
Step Correct wrote:
showguns wrote:
Step Correct wrote:You are never to old to bomb Freights.
lol but you stopped in 1997?
Yeah, I got busted and felt stupid. I was getting more into trying my hands at DJing.. But yeah freight bombs are where it's at and there are plenty of people over the age of 30 still doing it...pretty die hard but I respect that... Looking from the outside in, you could say that all of us DJs need to grow up as well. A bunch of grown ass men obsessed with an art form. It's just another dream to chase, a hobby if you will. Same shit, Except it involves possibly getting in trouble with the law which I suppose makes it immature? Thats what makes it all the more exciting though.
i'm not talking about the artistry i'm talking about the illegality of it. that shit is just dumb to do if youre over 18.
Can you provide some reasoning please.

i'm just being an asshole for the sake of it. in all honesty i could give a fuck what anyone does or posts here on the other side of the world.

i know its not fresh if the art is legal, but if catch this one kid tagging my building again i will fuck them up and you will all hear about it.

spiro · Post by **spiro** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:55 pm

showguns wrote:i'm just being an asshole for the sake of it. in all honesty i could give a fuck what anyone does or posts here on the other side of the world.

i know its not fresh if the art is legal, but if catch this one kid tagging my building again i will fuck them up and you will all hear about it.

Out of curiosity, what do you do if some company decides to put up big advertising boards on your building ? (If its that type of building)

showguns · Post by **showguns** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:05 pm

spiro wrote:
showguns wrote:i'm just being an asshole for the sake of it. in all honesty i could give a fuck what anyone does or posts here on the other side of the world.

i know its not fresh if the art is legal, but if catch this one kid tagging my building again i will fuck them up and you will all hear about it.
Out of curiosity, what do you do if some company decides to put up big advertising boards on your building ? (If its that type of building)

hey if they pay me it's good.

note to all graffiti writers: pay me money and you can tag my building.*

nah but seriously, in los angeles my favorite bombs are the ones on billboards. but dont tag up my fucking neighborhood buildings, plz.

bagelator · Post by **bagelator** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:43 pm

we all have to start somewhere. this is futura 2000 in 1981

http://www.aerosolplanet.com/HISTORY%20 ... futura.bmp

quidz · Post by **quidz** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 1:12 am

crissssppyyy steel there spiro!

robbiej · Post by **robbiej** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:33 am

To all the 'writers':

Firstly i agree that graffiti can be art. that being said i have a couple of questions regarding the images in this thread.

1. if art is defined (loosely) as the use of images or sound to transmite ideas or emotions to observers or listeners, then what is the message being sent in the images in this thread? is it political? social? what are you trying to say about society? or the human condition?

2. How do feel your 'art' is contributing to the betterment of society or to mankind as a whole. in short. how does it make the world a better palce for the majority.

3. lastly. do you see any negative aspects of 'tagging'?

i would love to see what your reasoning is.

spiro · Post by **spiro** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 12:30 pm

robbiej wrote:To all the 'writers':
Firstly i agree that graffiti can be art. that being said i have a couple of questions regarding the images in this thread.

1. if art is defined (loosely) as the use of images or sound to transmite ideas or emotions to observers or listeners, then what is the message being sent in the images in this thread? is it political? social? what are you trying to say about society? or the human condition?

2. How do feel your 'art' is contributing to the betterment of society or to mankind as a whole. in short. how does it make the world a better palce for the majority.

3. lastly. do you see any negative aspects of 'tagging'?.

I don´t think anyone have said anything about art . . . the tread title is "The ugly side of graf" . . .

To me graff is something beyond art, art have been more and more institutionalized the last 100 years.
And to me it looks like this have made a culture that is limiting the possibilities of pushing the boundaries of art . . .

I know some people that have finished the norwegian academy of fine arts (writers), and after what they tell much of what the schools focus on is learning the students how to push themselves as a product.
And I can see the use of this, we all need to earn our money somewhere.
Nevertheless most people in this forum will agree ( I hope) that if a newly starting dubstep producers uses most of the time on making record deals and making a living out of it, instead of making killer tunes . . .
dubstep wouldn´t represent something that pushes the the boundaries of music production . . .

So to me graff represents the next level of art, and the criminal element makes it very hard to exploit economically, but after all we live in 2007, cash is king, so its all a matter of time before even graff is institutionalized !

And to your first question, the only thing I think graff is trying to communicate is that the way people saw the world 30 years ago, don´t need to be the way we see it now . . . why does concrete need to bee clean ? Why does a train look worse with paint on its side, or on its seats ? AND WHO IS TO DECIDE !!!

to your second question; how does any art contribute to make the world a better palce for the majority ?
As far as I have understood, art impressions is so personal that it vill never make any impact on the majority.
But hopefully some individuals vill have small moments of joy passing bombing in the streets, breaking up the dreariness of everyday life . . .

The last question is a very complex one . . .
Graff have existed the way we know it now since the early 70´s, and its been countered in many ways. But mainly in very hostile ways. In Norway we have had a straight up war since the early 90´s. Special graffiti squads hiding in the bushes and beating you up when they catch you. Extremely high fines [sometimes £20 000- £50 000 for kids that is under 18], politicians presenting graff as a major expense for society, using shady statistics to make it believable . . .
The effect here has been a graffculture based around a very small hardcore group that uses all their time bombing trains and walls all over . . . This have made a look that is very ruff and is based on a maximum of 5-15 minutes before you have to get out . . . [We used 7 minutes on the wholecar in my picures, and that is very long time in oslo]
So its self explanatory that this style appeals to allot less people than e.g. the style in barcelona where you can paint wherever you want at any time without being disturbed . . .

.spiro.

auan · Post by **auan** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 1:30 pm

robbiej wrote:1. if art is defined (loosely) as the use of images or sound to transmite ideas or emotions to observers or listeners, then what is the message being sent in the images in this thread? is it political? social? what are you trying to say about society? or the human condition?

Crap definition of art.

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:10 pm

This thread's really interesting. There's 3 great books to read about issues that people have brought up in this thread. I did a thesis paper on the Power of Art In Social Change in college, and although graffiti could be viewed as a post modernist form, the idea that it has significant impact on the environment of cities is absolutely fascinating. If people are really into this side of things, I highly recommend the following books :

Marshall McLuhan " The Medium is The Message "
Roland Barthes " Elements Of Semiology "
Alvin Toffler " Future Shock "

cure · Post by **cure** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 8:34 pm

seckle wrote:This thread's really interesting. There's 3 great books to read about issues that people have brought up in this thread. I did a thesis paper on the Power of Art In Social Change in college, and although graffiti could be viewed as a post modernist form, the idea that it has significant impact on the environment of cities is absolutely fascinating. If people are really into this side of things, I highly recommend the following books :

Marshall McLuhan " The Medium is The Message "
Roland Barthes " Elements Of Semiology "
Alvin Toffler " Future Shock "

"The Medium is The Message " and " Future Shock " - read both in Sociology in college...really good books!

loetech · Post by **loetech** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 9:37 pm

holy shit, the ignorance in this thread is through the roof

atleast, the first couple pages...

bob crunkhouse · Post by **bob crunkhouse** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 9:46 pm

tagging is for complete mugs! some of the other stuff is ok i guess.

casino · Post by **casino** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 9:52 pm

Not my graf, but i thought this was decent...

THE UGLY SIDE OF GRAFF*writers plz post.

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