The private school vs comprehensive debate

[Riddles]

I turned down going to a King Edwards school because all my mates were going to one of the local comprehensives, so I went there and I've barely stabbed anyone for weeks.

big ups for overcoming adversity fam

[Electric_Head]

Here it's all specific to the town and area you live in.
My son is going to a public high school which is rated as one of the top schools in the country.
Some private schools in Joburg for example have a bad name for being high cost but very little effort from the teachers.
Essentially a half-way house for rich kids.

[Pedro Sánchez]

Of course, there are plenty of examples of the success from comprehensives - one of my oldest friends is a doctor for Médecins Sans Frontières - but if I compare their old friendship groups to mine it's pretty obvious which ones are doing better on average. It's sad and incredibly disappointing, but unfortunately, it's also true.

And that inequality will always exist until we remove the wealth driven multi-tier education system and raise the standards of state education, then no one will have an excuse for sending their child to a 'better' paid school and those that excel will encourage the rest of the kids to put more of an effort in. Then we can crush this argument that these kids from wealthy backgrounds are smarter when in fact they are just groomed harder, plus most have the social skills of a brick and a very narrow view of the world around them.

[Riddles]

Of course, there are plenty of examples of the success from comprehensives - one of my oldest friends is a doctor for Médecins Sans Frontières - but if I compare their old friendship groups to mine it's pretty obvious which ones are doing better on average. It's sad and incredibly disappointing, but unfortunately, it's also true.

And that inequality will always exist until we remove the wealth driven multi-tier education system and raise the standards of state education, then no one will have an excuse for sending their child to a 'better' paid school and those that excel will encourage the rest of the kids to put more of an effort in. Then we can crush this argument that these kids from wealthy backgrounds are smarter when in fact they are just groomed harder, plus most have the social skills of a brick and a very narrow view of the world around them.

The last bit of your comment is stupid, saying people who go to private schools have poor social skills and have a narrow view of the world is a pointless generalisation. You can turn your argument on it's head and say people who go to poor state schools are socially inept because they use a lot of slang etc. You can say they have a narrow view of the world around them because they don't read anything but the sun and don't watch the news.
These are fucking stupid generalisations that shouldn't be made because you have a prejudice against a social class.

[DJoe]

went to normal primary school and then grammer secondary, cos I passed the smart kids exam like

same coincidentally james blake went to my school and k-lone

[m8son666]

i went to a normal school and i am a genius so they are probs better

[Pedro Sánchez]

The last bit of your comment is stupid, saying people who go to private schools have poor social skills and have a narrow view of the world is a pointless generalisation. You can turn your argument on it's head and say people who go to poor state schools are socially inept because they use a lot of slang etc. You can say they have a narrow view of the world around them because they don't read anything but the sun and don't watch the news.
These are fucking stupid generalisations that shouldn't be made because you have a prejudice against a social class.

Only those in state education are more likely to be exposed to more ethnic cultures, slang being used is progressive and creative, often a byproduct of the multicultural environment not a desire to maintain traditionalism for the sake of it, state schools also educate classes upto upper-middleclass in most cases so I don't know why you brought that into it, have you ever seen the syllabus of a top private school, if you are telling me that is not a narrow view of the world then you are having a laugh, they still teach colonialism as something to be championed for fuck sake. My point about them being socially poor may be a sweeping generalisation but I stand by it, they live in bubbles.

[magma]

Only those in state education are more likely to be exposed to more ethnic cultures, slang being used is progressive and creative, often a byproduct of the multicultural environment not a desire to maintain traditionalism for the sake of it, state schools also educate classes upto upper-middleclass in most cases so I don't know why you brought that into it, have you ever seen the syllabus of a top private school, if you are telling me that is not a narrow view of the world then you are having a laugh, they still teach colonialism as something to be championed for fuck sake. My point about them being socially poor may be a sweeping generalisation but I stand by it, they live in bubbles.

Have you actually got any experience of people that went to private schools or are you deriving your entire argument from a New Statesman blog?

I went to a comprehensive in a rural, farming district of Somerset. You don't know the meaning of the word "narrow" until you've met some of these farmer's sons and provincial wasters. My ex from the posh school, who'd lived for 3 years in Singapore, speaks 3 languages and sang in Cathedrals all across Europe had ever so slightly more cultural awareness. There was ONE black person in my year at school... the closest I got to "ethnic cultures" was running into Chinese kids from the local private school at the newsagent.

There are shocking examples from all arenas, but you appear to have a chip the size of the communist manifesto eating away at your shoulder.

[Riddles]

The last bit of your comment is stupid, saying people who go to private schools have poor social skills and have a narrow view of the world is a pointless generalisation. You can turn your argument on it's head and say people who go to poor state schools are socially inept because they use a lot of slang etc. You can say they have a narrow view of the world around them because they don't read anything but the sun and don't watch the news.
These are fucking stupid generalisations that shouldn't be made because you have a prejudice against a social class.

Only those in state education are more likely to be exposed to more ethnic cultures, slang being used is progressive and creative, often a byproduct of the multicultural environment not a desire to maintain traditionalism for the sake of it, state schools also educate classes upto upper-middleclass in most cases so I don't know why you brought that into it, have you ever seen the syllabus of a top private school, if you are telling me that is not a narrow view of the world then you are having a laugh, they still teach colonialism as something to be championed for fuck sake. My point about them being socially poor may be a sweeping generalisation but I stand by it, they live in bubbles.

The majority of private schools cater to upper middle class people, not the social elite. To tar them all with the same brush is pointless. You're making presumptions on all private schools based on what you've seen of Eton it seems.

And what Magma said, he's better at words than me.

[wub]

And what Magma said, he's better at words than me.

Probably because he went to a better school.

[Pedro Sánchez]

Only those in state education are more likely to be exposed to more ethnic cultures, slang being used is progressive and creative, often a byproduct of the multicultural environment not a desire to maintain traditionalism for the sake of it, state schools also educate classes upto upper-middleclass in most cases so I don't know why you brought that into it, have you ever seen the syllabus of a top private school, if you are telling me that is not a narrow view of the world then you are having a laugh, they still teach colonialism as something to be championed for fuck sake. My point about them being socially poor may be a sweeping generalisation but I stand by it, they live in bubbles.

Have you actually got any experience of people that went to private schools or are you deriving your entire argument from a New Statesman blog?

I went to a comprehensive in a rural, farming district of Somerset. You don't know the meaning of the word "narrow" until you've met some of these farmer's sons. My ex from the posh school, who'd lived for 3 years in Singapore, speaks 3 languages and sang in Cathedrals all across Europe had ever so slightly more cultural awareness.

There are shocking examples from all arenas, but you appear to have a chip the size of the communist manifesto eating away at your shoulder.

I am speaking from my own experience, yes, one of my good mates growing up went to the top private school here in Manchester, William Hulme, so no, I'm not basing it of blind generalizations. I also don't have a chip on my shoulder and what the communist manifesto remark has got to do with wanting an equal playing field every kids education is lost on me mate.

[Samuel_L_Damnson]

nah its all about going to pilot school. fuck actual school. I want all of my kids to fly high in the planes all day

[Pedro Sánchez]

I went to a comprehensive in a rural, farming district of Somerset. You don't know the meaning of the word "narrow" until you've met some of these farmer's sons and provincial wasters. My ex from the posh school, who'd lived for 3 years in Singapore, speaks 3 languages and sang in Cathedrals all across Europe had ever so slightly more cultural awareness. There was ONE black person in my year at school... the closest I got to "ethnic cultures" was running into Chinese kids from the local private school at the newsagent.

You're using one extreme to compare another.

[magma]

what the communist manifesto remark has got to do with wanting an equal playing field every kids education is lost on me mate.

It doesn't have anything to do with that, it has everything to do with you clearly making huge assumptions about people you don't know very much about. You're currently trying to frame your argument based on a "top private school" which is probably not terribly representative of private schools all round the country. Out of all the people I've known that have attended private schools (my brothers, my longest-serving girlfriend, my best friend) none of them would identify as Conservatives. All of them are either from ethnic minorities themselves or have mixed friendship groups.

Incidentally, the only actual communist I know, who happens to be my best friend, went to Red Maids All Girls school in Bristol. She's more cultured, more intelligent and more progressive than you. Deal with it.

[magma]

I went to a comprehensive in a rural, farming district of Somerset. You don't know the meaning of the word "narrow" until you've met some of these farmer's sons and provincial wasters. My ex from the posh school, who'd lived for 3 years in Singapore, speaks 3 languages and sang in Cathedrals all across Europe had ever so slightly more cultural awareness. There was ONE black person in my year at school... the closest I got to "ethnic cultures" was running into Chinese kids from the local private school at the newsagent.

You're using one extreme to compare another.

I'm really not. I'm using my life. My upbringing was pretty typical.

[Pedro Sánchez]

Incidentally, the only actual communist I know, who happens to be my best friend, went to Red Maids All Girls school in Bristol. She's more cultured, more intelligent and more progressive than you. Deal with it.

Good for her and her actual communist self. I dealt with it.

[leyenda]

went to normal primary school and then grammer secondary, cos I passed the smart kids exam like

same coincidentally james blake went to my school and k-lone

same with me too. I'd send my kid to a grammer assuming they passed the entrance test

[particle-jim]

went to normal primary school and then grammer secondary, cos I passed the smart kids exam like

same coincidentally james blake went to my school and k-lone

David Bowie and Peter Frampton went to my school

[DJoe]

lol you probably win bowie is a g

[DJoe]

went to normal primary school and then grammer secondary, cos I passed the smart kids exam like

same coincidentally james blake went to my school and k-lone

same with me too. I'd send my kid to a grammer assuming they passed the entrance test

best of both worlds to some extent, but you still get loads of rich kids with tutors and stuff