The private school vs comprehensive debate

[rockonin]

Normal state school in my opinion. Balls to the posh c***'s lol I suppose the upside with a grammer school you're more likely to get a decent job later on. I think in a state school you get to see reality a little better. Plus aren't most grammer schools a highly pressurised environment with like 5 million tests etc

[magma]

Misspelling of "grammar" always makes me chuckle. If there's one word you should double check before posting...

[m8son666]

don't you get bummed a lot in private schools?

[Laszlo]

don't you get bummed a lot in private schools?

No. One gets bummed a lot in private schools.

[rockonin]

Misspelling of "grammar" always makes me chuckle. If there's one word you should double check before posting...

My state school education already paying off for itself lol

[DJoe]

Normal state school in my opinion. Balls to the posh c***'s lol I suppose the upside with a grammer school you're more likely to get a decent job later on. I think in a state school you get to see reality a little better. Plus aren't most grammer schools a highly pressurised environment with like 5 million tests etc

mine wasn't there weren't any end of year tests like there were at some schools my m8s went to to. the only exams you had to pass were to get into the school and then you needed 6 Bs at GCSE to get into the 6th form.

are all grammars just selective state schools like mine or do you have to pay at some of them.

[magma]

are all grammars just selective state schools like mine or do you have to pay at some of them.

Technically, a grammar school should be a state school I think (there aren't that many left tbh... couple of hundred maybe), but plenty of private schools run entrance exams too... I'm not sure what they generally call themselves. Quite a few offer scholarships/bursaries based on entrance exams too.

If grammar school was an option, I'd probably take that over a private school. They're a great idea for extending more opportunities to poorer kids... a lot of people say that the golden age of upward mobility ended when grammar schools got phased out.

I really like the German approach to education tbh...

[Forum]

Normal state school in my opinion. Balls to the posh c***'s lol I suppose the upside with a grammer school you're more likely to get a decent job later on. I think in a state school you get to see reality a little better. Plus aren't most grammer schools a highly pressurised environment with like 5 million tests etc

I think your idea of what grammar schools are like is a bit off, they're not mini etons

[magma]

Normal state school in my opinion. Balls to the posh c***'s lol I suppose the upside with a grammer school you're more likely to get a decent job later on. I think in a state school you get to see reality a little better. Plus aren't most grammer schools a highly pressurised environment with like 5 million tests etc

I think your idea of what grammar schools are like is a bit off, they're not mini etons

Indeed.

There seems to be a bit of a conflation of Grammar schools, Private schools and "Public" (not in the US sense) schools in this thread.

Eton and Harrow are barely comparable to most Private schools in Britain and Grammar Schools don't even have to be fee-paying!

If Pedro was railing against Public Schools, he'd probably be making a bit more sense.

[Pedro Sánchez]

but plenty of private schools run entrance exams too... I'm not sure what they generally call themselves. Quite a few offer scholarships/bursaries based on entrance exams too.

A lot of private schools were once the older Grammar type schools that were forced to become private but many kept the scholarship with entrance exam system.

[nowaysj]

I think I'm late to the conversation, and am having trouble making 3 word sentences, but:

I also don't have a chip on my shoulder and what the communist manifesto remark has got to do with wanting an equal playing field every kids education is lost on me mate.

Wanting a new planet for every child is becoming more of a possibility than a level playing field for every child. Discrepancies in education and educational outcomes start in the home. Until you are ready for the state to enforce standards of behavior and culture within the home, you will have educational discrepancies.

My daughter is in private school. 3rd grade, 8yo. All of her friends go to public school. All of her friends are two to three grade levels above her, 5th and 6th grade, 10-11yo, and my daughter is at the same level of subject mater, or beyond. And her competency in those subject matters exceeds her friends. This is plain fact derived from my observation. No confirmation bias or any other shenanigans. While her friends are sitting alone, entranced in front of the TV, eating high fructose corn syrup, my daughter is studying, talking, reading, thinking, biking, learning, hiking, working on her standup routine, running, writing comic strips, dressing up in her mom's bras, painting, practicing piano, cracking me the fuck up, and just generally straight balling.

I can't say if all these kids were all born equal, but they are all not equal now. Not speaking in terms of human value, but in terms of intellectual capabilities, will power, self control, physical health, cultural experience, appreciation for the richness of life, and any other metric you can conceive. And my daughter is that way because we LOVE her, we CHERISH her, and in my opinion, none of these other parents love their kids. Who could do that to a kid, to a human? All of the parents are divorced. All are narcissistic, and catastrophically over worked - largely for the attainment of material goods.

My daughter is going to get a better education, and will continue to be more alive than her friends. I will straight up tell you I don't want her going to public school with her friends. Public school is there for them, if they consent to it. Just as the TV is there, the corn syrup is there, the cigarettes are there, the alcohol, it is all there if they choose it.

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My background: I went to a shit poor public school, like ages 6-10. Lived on a dirt road. School was so underfunded we had split sessions, half the school in the morning, half in the afternoon. Fucking straight derelict, feral kids. Upper grammar school 5th and in junior high, grades 6-8, ages 11-13, I went to a private school. Bone crushingly hard. Students were a totally different kind of people. Fucking smart and studious, athletic, well read. Went to a private all boys Jesuit high school, grades 9-12, ages 14-18. Hard, but easier than junior high. Again, more of the same. Students that test at the top of all national curves. Go to finest universities in the country.

I went to a public, but well regarded university, UCLA. Fucking jokes. 32k students on campus on any given day, so there is great diversity of character, and capability, but the classes and grading were jokes. Was so jokes, when I went for an advanced degree, I went to a private school, fucking back to the bone crushing. Focused, competitive, competent people. I've been on both sides of the spectrum, several times over, and private school has been far more rewarding than public school. That is just my real, non-theoretical experience, here in urban/suburban areas of California.

[test_recordings]

Leeds grammar is actually a public school now. Confuses the shit out of Americans, that term does.

To be honest, after seeing Japanese private schools, I've decided they're not the fundamental problem. It's massive inequality and class hierarchy just perpetuating itself