Psychedelics as healing agents

[rockonin]

Not sure if someone has already it mentioned it, but a few people in the past with Parkinsons disease who took ecstacy/mdma helped stop their erratic shaking.

[SunkLo]

Or at least helped them shake in time with the kick drum.

[Sonika]

Johns Hopkins are doing some great studies right now with psilocybin as a way to treat chronic cancer patients, not the cancer itself but to help them come to terms with death, which is fascinating. Psilocybin mushrooms took my entire perception of everything and flipped it on its head, made me question even the most basic of assumptions. Entheogens like DMT (more importantly, dmt-containing brews like ayahuasca with enzymes like harmine that allow it to last for hours), psilocybin, and iboga all have incredible medical and therapeutic potential.

If the majority of the world could just get its head out of its ass and get over the ridiculously pseudo-scientific post-Leary era drug war hysteria and allow for more research into these ancient shamanic tools, there would be no way to argue with their potential. I partially subscribe to McKenna's "Food of the Gods" argument that entheogens are the key to solving a lot of the world's issues. Can we just get over all this useless social stigma and nurture intelligent conversations about psychedelics?

[wub]

Psilocybin mushrooms took my entire perception of everything and flipped it on its head, made me question even the most basic of assumptions. Entheogens like DMT (more importantly, dmt-containing brews like ayahuasca with enzymes like harmine that allow it to last for hours), psilocybin, and iboga all have incredible medical and therapeutic potential.

If the majority of the world could just get its head out of its ass and get over the ridiculously pseudo-scientific post-Leary era drug war hysteria and allow for more research into these ancient shamanic tools, there would be no way to argue with their potential. I partially subscribe to McKenna's "Food of the Gods" argument that entheogens are the key to solving a lot of the world's issues. Can we just get over all this useless social stigma and nurture intelligent conversations about psychedelics?

Age: 15.
Interests: Joe Rogan podcast

[Sonika]

not always a huge fan of joe rogan but he's funny to watch

wub are you perpetually an asshole or is it only because I'm 15? is there any real criticism you have about my post? or is it just you don't like me posting on the forum? I'm not even here that much anymore

[wub]

is it only because I'm 15? is there any real criticism you have about my post?

It's a mix of these two, TBH. When you make statements like this;

Psilocybin mushrooms took my entire perception of everything and flipped it on its head, made me question even the most basic of assumptions

As it makes me wonder what in depth analysis of the world around you during your short spell on this rock hurtling through space you'd made that were so fundamentally shaken when you suddenly started smashing DMT/mushrooms.

Your mind isn't fully developed at 15, you've had no 'real world' experience. I'm sure that being at a boarding/military school is all very fine and dandy, but the idea that you've experienced enough of the world to have your perceptions of it 'flipped' is fucking laughable at times.

[Sonika]

I understand, and reading my post I can see how it comes off as ridiculously pretentious. But it's not really fair of you to presume to understand who I am from your perception of my online personality, and to make assumptions about my experiences with something so deeply personal and subjective as the psychedelic experience. Of course I would have had more assumptions and strong values to be "uprooted" or "shaken" by an entheogen if I was older, but 14 and 15 year olds still have a lot to gain from psychedelics - everyone does. I do wish at times that I had waited to delve into that world, because it's very confusing at times to try to synchronise the lessons that I learn from psychedelics and my adolescent lifestyle, but I am ultimately happy and satisfied with the life that it has created for me, and I don't think you have any right to look down your nose at my experience and my thoughts on psychedelics as inferior because I'm younger and that makes me somehow pretentious.

[m8son666]

Psilocybin mushrooms took my entire perception of everything and flipped it on its head, made me question even the most basic of assumptions.

lol yeah cos thats a good thing for a 15 year old to go through.

I bet you end up like parsons.

The best thing about your adolescent experiences sonika is that they are recorded on the internet for you to look back at and realise how much of a nob you were, thats if you are sane enough to do so loool.

[wub]

IMO 14/15 is too young to be doing DMT on the regular. It's like rewiring a circuit board that hasn't been fully built yet.

[m8son666]

tbf i think i can already sense delusions of grandeur creeping in

[Sonika]

I only did dmt twice, and I won't do it again for years because, as I said, the aftereffects were more confusing than anything else. You're probably right, but I've also taken away a lot of important things from my experiences.

It's okay to have intelligent discussions about it, I'd just rather not be carelessly profiled as a "yeah bro trip balls!!111" joe rogan follower

[m8son666]

Ok go and read some books about the pharmacology of psychedelics or get a pharmacology degree, then we can have an intelligent discussion, all you have said so far amounts to 'wow man i'm so enlightened by these drugs man if only society could see how enlightened i am and pull its head out its arse man'

[Nihilism]

Johns Hopkins are doing some great studies right now with psilocybin as a way to treat chronic cancer patients, not the cancer itself but to help them come to terms with death, which is fascinating. Psilocybin mushrooms took my entire perception of everything and flipped it on its head, made me question even the most basic of assumptions. Entheogens like DMT (more importantly, dmt-containing brews like ayahuasca with enzymes like harmine that allow it to last for hours), psilocybin, and iboga all have incredible medical and therapeutic potential.

If the majority of the world could just get its head out of its ass and get over the ridiculously pseudo-scientific post-Leary era drug war hysteria and allow for more research into these ancient shamanic tools, there would be no way to argue with their potential. I partially subscribe to McKenna's "Food of the Gods" argument that entheogens are the key to solving a lot of the world's issues. Can we just get over all this useless social stigma and nurture intelligent conversations about psychedelics?

I think this says enough. It's time that science has to be less ethical and more about the results and to become a result with every method that exist.

[nowaysj]

the idea that you've experienced enough of the world to have your perceptions of it 'flipped' is fucking laughable at times.

We're all running off of an hypothesis. Anyone can have that flipped by heavy psychedelics. Granted, young sonika's experience is limited at the very least by time, AND his brain/mind is still building itself, and yes it is probably very dangerous to use any mind altering drugs and ESPECIALLY use them with ANY kind of regularity. The brain possesses and is probably forming at that age all kinds of homeostatic systems that can be permanently disturbed by the regular presence of drugs. AND sonika's parents are likely completely negligent in their duties, but that is unsurprising given their station in life.

But, he can certainly have his perceptions flipped.

[wub]

AND sonika's parents are likely completely negligent in their duties, but that is unsurprising given their station in life.

Good point.

[Sonika]

so we're speculating about my parents now? My parents are excellent, negligent would probably be the worst adjective to describe in the world. Their main flaw is that they care too much sometimes

[wub]

so we're speculating about my parents now? My parents are excellent, negligent would probably be the worst adjective to describe in the world. Their main flaw is that they care too much sometimes

So why boarding school?

[nowaysj]

Sonika, again you're fucked here, because there is nothing that you can say, really, because of your limitations of perspective due to your age. But perhaps, later you will see that a parent should be involved in the life of their child, and if they were, they'd sort of notice your DMT usage.

Got nothing but love for you, buddy. It is your life, right now, you're the only one who really has to suffer the consequences of your choices. I wish you had someone in your life that could be helping you make better choices, though. All the best. Don't take what I've said too harshly, and reserve final judgment on what I've said for at least 20 more years.

[wub]

Sonika, again you're fucked here, because there is nothing that you can say, really, because of your limitations of perspective due to your age. But perhaps, later you will see that a parent should be involved in the life of their child, and if they were, they'd sort of notice your DMT usage.

Got nothing but love for you, buddy. It is your life, right now, you're the only one who really has to suffer the consequences of your choices. I wish you had someone in your life that could be helping you make better choices, though. All the best. Don't take what I've said too harshly, and reserve final judgment on what I've said for at least 20 more years.

Well said

[Sonika]

Got nothing but love for you, buddy. It is your life, right now, you're the only one who really has to suffer the consequences of your choices.

backatcha man

the boarding school wasn't like that, it was a prep school that I worked really hard to get into: http://www.sps.edu/home

my parents know, and they were very uncomfortable with it at first, but we've talked a lot about it and they're still not particularly happy with it but they realise that it's my life and ultimately my choices to make, which I think is an important parenting choice that many parents would do well to follow, because control and prohibition only breeds rebellion, as exampled by human history. My parents are the best <3