Psychedelics as healing agents

[m8son666]

lol saying native americans did something as an argument for it being a good idea is stupid

native americans shitted in holes why don't you go and do that

[Nihilism]

m8son is hatin'.


Again.

[Riddles]

he's got a point though. people used to chew willow bark for headaches and put mouldy bread on cuts. Just cos people did it in the past doesn't mean we should do it now.

[m8son666]

m8son is hatin'.


Again.

its not hating when you're right

[DJoe]

he's got a point though. people used to chew willow bark for headaches and put mouldy bread on cuts. Just cos people did it in the past doesn't mean we should do it now.

the mouldy bread thing works because of mould produces anti-septic chemicals

[m8son666]

yh and willow bark contains salicylic acid, a precursor to aspirin.

I think riddles point is that there are now better ways of doing things, so just because people did something in the past doesn't make it a good idea now.

[Riddles]

yh and willow bark contains salicylic acid, a precursor to aspirin.

I think riddles point is that there are now better ways of doing things, so just because people did something in the past doesn't make it a good idea now.

yeh that was my point, we have better alternatives now.

[Nihilism]

Ppl have to stop thinking that Prozac and Xanax are any better then drugs like ganja and shrooms. That mentality has to go away.

[m8son666]

Jesus christ whats with the moronic bunk science people are talking in here recently. Do you really think that your brief incorrect knowledge you have learnt from the internet can rival that of someone who has spent ~10 years in education learning about these things.

Good luck trying to reliably treat severe anxiety and panic disorder with weed or shrooms, also good luck treating clinical depression with either of them. Scientists didn't just think lol lets give all these people these random chemicals, years of research and billions of pounds went into researching them, hundreds of peer reviewed papers can vouch for their effectiveness.

'medication like that are worser than heroin' what does that even mean? I swear pharmacology is the only science people think they can learn about in 10 minutes on the internet.

[Pedro Sánchez]

Yahoo answers is a ting still, man can learn anything and it must be right because the answers have bare ratings.

[m8son666]

yh good point, i think they should stop treating cancer too cos all them side effects, the cancner people should just smoke weed lol

[Nihilism]

Jesus christ whats with the moronic bunk science people are talking in here recently. Do you really think that your brief incorrect knowledge you have learnt from the internet can rival that of someone who has spent ~10 years in education learning about these things.

Good luck trying to reliably treat severe anxiety and panic disorder with weed or shrooms, also good luck treating clinical depression with either of them. Scientists didn't just think lol lets give all these people these random chemicals, years of research and billions of pounds went into researching them, hundreds of peer reviewed papers can vouch for their effectiveness.

'medication like that are worser than heroin' what does that even mean? I swear pharmacology is the only science people think they can learn about in 10 minutes on the internet.

"brief incorrect knowledge you have learnt from the internet". Cool, but my knowledge is based on my own experiences when it comes to anxiety and panic disorder. And xanax and prozac aren't medication like aspirines that 'solve' the depression or anxiety, it's just something that makes it more 'liveable' (whatever that means). The problems aren't gone and they still have to go the therapy.

And the problem isn't that they're not effective, but that they're overeffective. I'm rather smoking a blunt and having my feelings then taking Xanax and feel nothing. I'm a human being, not some of experiment those students can use for their thesis. Plus, it's way to easy to get medication like Xanax or Prozac, you just have to match one sympton of depression and you already having a letter to get Xanax or Prozac. It's a joke. And yeah, they're testing it and spend millions on it, but that's mostly about the results of those medication rather the impact on someone life. In that manner, it's worser then heroin. It's also addictive as fuck and getting rid of that is even worse then getting rid of an heroin addiction.

[Nihilism]

yh good point, i think they should stop treating cancer too cos all them side effects, the cancner people should just smoke weed lol

Where did i say that cannabis is a threatment? Cannabis b2b therapy isn't such a bad idea.

[m8son666]

my knowledge is based on my own experiences when it comes to anxiety and panic disorder.

In my personal experience weed increased or even caused the anxiety i experience and most likely caused several panic attacks. This is why we have clinical studies to decide the effectiveness of a drug and don't just go by anecdotal evidence.

And xanax and prozac aren't medication like aspirines that 'solve' the depression or anxiety, it's just something that makes it more 'liveable' (whatever that means). The problems aren't gone and they still have to go the therapy.

wow thanks my pharmacology degree never told me that. Also aspirins don't 'solve' the things they aim to treat either they also just mask the symtptoms.

And the problem isn't that they're not effective, but that they're overeffective. I'm rather smoking a blunt and having my feelings then taking Xanax and feel nothing.

Ok come back to me when you're unable to get out of bed and holding a razor to your throat cos your depression is so severe, i'm sure a spliff will help then.

I'm a human being, not some of experiment those students can use for their thesis.

what?

Plus, it's way to easy to get medication like Xanax or Prozac, you just have to match one sympton of depression and you already having a letter to get Xanax or Prozac.

Yeah fair enough perhaps doctors prescribe it too easily but how is that an argument for getting rid of the drugs altogether?

[Riddles]

Jesus christ whats with the moronic bunk science people are talking in here recently. Do you really think that your brief incorrect knowledge you have learnt from the internet can rival that of someone who has spent ~10 years in education learning about these things.

Good luck trying to reliably treat severe anxiety and panic disorder with weed or shrooms, also good luck treating clinical depression with either of them. Scientists didn't just think lol lets give all these people these random chemicals, years of research and billions of pounds went into researching them, hundreds of peer reviewed papers can vouch for their effectiveness.

'medication like that are worser than heroin' what does that even mean? I swear pharmacology is the only science people think they can learn about in 10 minutes on the internet.

"brief incorrect knowledge you have learnt from the internet". Cool, but my knowledge is based on my own experiences when it comes to anxiety and panic disorder. And xanax and prozac aren't medication like aspirines that 'solve' the depression or anxiety, it's just something that makes it more 'liveable' (whatever that means). The problems aren't gone and they still have to go the therapy.

And the problem isn't that they're not effective, but that they're overeffective. I'm rather smoking a blunt and having my feelings then taking Xanax and feel nothing. I'm a human being, not some of experiment those students can use for their thesis. Plus, it's way to easy to get medication like Xanax or Prozac, you just have to match one sympton of depression and you already having a letter to get Xanax or Prozac. It's a joke. And yeah, they're testing it and spend millions on it, but that's mostly about the results of those medication rather the impact on someone life. In that manner, it's worser then heroin. It's also addictive as fuck and getting rid of that is even worse then getting rid of an heroin addiction.

Not disputing your claims as they are your personal experience, but that is all they are. Anecdotal evidence isn't enough to go base a drugs policy on. Granted you can talk about how easy it is to get prescribed them but that is more the doctors rather than the drugs themselves. and kicking a heroin addiction can be fatal, I don't think either of those can be, again, not saying it's fun, but you aren't gonna die from it.

[m8son666]

I agree with you, although a xanax addiction is more life threatening than a heroin addiction.

[Riddles]

I agree with you, although a xanax addiction is more life threatening than a heroin addiction.

Didn't know that, also, i didn't realise prescription of xanax and prozac was so high, know quite a few people struggling with severe depression/anxiety etc and they're all on different medications.

[m8son666]

I don't think it is in England tbh i don't know anyone who is prescribed either for their anxiety or depression.

[Nihilism]

I didn't say that cannabis helps for every occasion and sure, for some extreme occasion doesn't it helps. But that doens't mean it's bad and that xanax / prozac is the only good solution when it comes to such matters.

[DJoe]

cannabis is terrible for depression. it removes motivation and structure from peoples lives, two things a depressed person needs.