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[nowaysj]

I've never really looked into limiting on tracks, i've always assumed it only kills dynamics

And as a foot note. That is politicized speech: KILLS dynamics. It reduces dynamics. Again, dynamics are not so great. Compressors and limiters were built out of the NEED to reduce dynamics. It is your choice about how much dynamics you want in your music.

Music you like and enjoy has had serious amounts of dynamics removed. In the writing phase, in the mixing phase, and in the mastering phase. Through all of those phases it helps to be cognizant of your dynamics. Like in the writing, as you're designing a sound - if too much of what makes the sound good and interesting is way down there in the quiet, the sound itself may be too dynamic to work in a larger mix, which may not be written yet, but you just know that the mix is going to crowd up and bury your sound - from experience. Again the cliche: the journeyman fixes problems as they arise, the master avoids them before they occur.

Definitely make choices about your dynamics, but just don't fall into this trap like your music has to be quiet and have 60db of dynamic range. It is just propaganda.

Again, why monitoring/room treatment are so important, so you can accurately make judgments about how much dynamics you want.

[SunkLo]

Also, assuming you're using it correctly, it's only reducing the dynamics of transients. It's also adding harmonics while it does it assuming it's a clipper or a fast limiter. You're trading volume for extra harmonics. That layer of distortion will sound greasy over everything but a bit of light saturation on just the transients sounds more punchy.

I'm much more lenient towards using limiting and clipping on individual sounds. Got to be a bit more careful on the master buss.

[Jizz]

hmm yea i might start experimenting with it on individual sounds then, see how that goes

[nowaysj]

Yeah, on the master, if you push everything into the limiter, so like your quietest peaks are being limited... I can't even imagine. I guess that is brostep, edm? Hehe.

When I master limit, I'm always usually hitting my snare and a kick, and maybe occasional weird peaks.

SL - what do you think of the dynamics in my my TUNA!/sig track? Of the limiting? In that last section, peaks of 8db of gain reduction!

[SunkLo]

Missed that in your aggregate post. Dat beat.

Sounds pretty transparent, especially for that much limiting. Is it just shaving off super short transients? Your ear can't really pick up bursts of sound that short anyway so as long as you can attenuate them within reason without introducing any audible artifacts, you won't notice much missing. Especially when dealing with any electronic music. I wouldn't be smacking an acoustic track with a hard limiter but with a lot of raw electronic sounds there's not nearly as much transient information.

A good master chain approach is slow compression if needed, limiter to catch the peaks, and then a clipper set a bit above that to catch any remaining peaks. Going from slow and gentle to quick and severe, with each one doing progressively less work. Sometimes it's more transparent to just shave a peak off completely than have a limiter pump in response to it.

[nowaysj]

I totally forgot to catch my isp's in pro L on this one, totally forgot! FUCK. And with all that high freq content, they must've been huge. I bet at least 2-4db over! Still sounds good on SC, I listened tonight on a good bose home system with a sub, and holly fuck that track banged pretty hard, actually. Kick is huge.

[nowaysj]

Is it just shaving off super short transients?

Yeah, those 8db peaks were really quick, but the 5db gain reduction was just on the snare, with those high synths and hats on top. Not too short of a transient. Back in the day macc got me turned onto pro-l. I think it is amazing that a hack like me can pump up that much volume.

[faultier]

thx everyone for the feedback will deffo take it on board when i go back to the lab

clearly i should have checked this thread earlier, so much talent in here guys

@LTUK/Demain: ha! had totally forgotten this was your nick on dsf, great to see you here man! nice use of that vocal sample. i agree with the comment on the fact that the snare could hit a bit harder. also, at the risk of sounding anal, seems to me your instrumental and the 2pac accapella are in two different scales, it' not that it's really dissonant, but try to pitch the accapella 2 semitones down, see if it sounds better. btw that heathfield tune is quite something too man

[nowaysj]

clearly i should have checked this thread earlier, so much talent in here guys

We ARE the underground.

[Jizz]

[Aufnahmewindwuschel]

@demain dig it love the sample right amount of lo fi not too harsh and i love tunes with a lot of vocals so haha cant complain here and def love if sb keeps true to the whole acapella like just rearrange the vibe taking the rap etc in a dif direction

[Aufnahmewindwuschel]

wanna say i am happy you guys dont judge/hate my hm cheesier stuff lol i respect that alot

[nowaysj]

I am secretly judging / hating on you.

[Aufnahmewindwuschel]

i am secretly juding hating myself

[nowaysj]

NO! don't be like that. Follow the music. Let the music be your guide. If you're to have ANY control over the flow, it is in the decision to give yourself over to it.

[Aufnahmewindwuschel]

i hear you but i admire those who can focus on one style one idea
i love like autechre flux pavillion and maybe bohren and the club of gore haha i dont have any regulation over what i like

[nowaysj]

I distrust those people that are like totally focused on one thing. They're like 'professionals'. I think their musical inspiration/love takes a back seat to their 'professionalism'. Maybe, maybe they're just really really into one thing?

Anyway, they're certainly not me! Listening back to my last 10 soundcloud songs... haha.

But I do feel you. Would be nice to really make some linear progress in one direction, but that is external to what music is, you know, that is a human convention, the music is coming from somewhere else. Life/god only cares about the fucked up shit. The cum, the shit, the blood. Those are the important things, but those are the things we stay the farthest from! Stick our fingers in our ears, "nanananana".

Hehe.

[Aufnahmewindwuschel]

yeah overall we need to be happy with what we do. but sometimes rainbows turn into blood and vice versa. some people stay away from pop for the same reasons some stay away of idm, dubstep noise, ambient etc. so what is blood cum shit the stuff you fear to like or the stuff you make and fear to be not liked?

[nowaysj]

so what is blood cum shit the stuff you fear to like or the stuff you make and fear to be not liked?

[Aufnahmewindwuschel]

granting that this is my/our point of view as producers/musicians
most people should be able to like what they want (still very debatable)