Ukraine

[OGLemon]

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[ehbes]

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[OGLemon]

[magma]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26473970

The decision by the parliament in Simferopol that Crimea should join Russia - a proposition that will be put to a referendum in some 10 days' time - has escalated diplomatic tensions just as direct military confrontation on the ground in Crimea seemed, if not to be relaxing, to have reached an uneasy standoff.

The move was described by the UK Prime Minister David Cameron - in what yet may prove an understatement - as "a serious step in the wrong direction".

Nowaysj will be pleased to know I'm now out of step with Western leaders on this. Voting good.

[nowaysj]

You'll be happy to know a branch of my family is from a similar place. One day they were Polish, the next they were Russian, then Polish, then Russian. They said fucket and came to America.

[faultier]

http://rt.com/news/ashton-maidan-snipers-estonia-946/

“There is now stronger and stronger understanding that behind the snipers, it was not Yanukovich, but it was somebody from the new coalition,” Urmas Paet said during the conversation. (...)
Paet also recalled his conversation with a doctor who treated those shot by snipers in Kiev. She said that both protesters and police were shot at by the same people.
“And second, what was quite disturbing, this same Olga [Bogomolets] told as well that all the evidence shows that the people who were killed by snipers from both sides, among policemen and then people from the streets, that they were the same snipers killing people from both sides,” the Estonian FM stressed.

so yeah, could be Russian propaganda, but it's eerily reminiscent of the 2002 coup attempt against Chavez in Venezuela: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Venez ... frontation


oooh patterns, all the more interesting considering what's going on at the moment in Venezuela

[faultier]

"Martin’s denunciation of Russia for “invading” Ukraine is based on Western propaganda that Russia sent 16,000 troops to occupy Crimea. The fact of the matter is that those 16,000 Russian troops have been in Crimea since the 1990s. Under the Russian-Ukrainian agreement, Russia has the right to base 25,000 troops in Crimea.

[garethom]

That stat seems to be thrown around a lot, but it ignores the other part of it, that those 25,000 troops are required to remain on base, not locking down airports and surrounding Ukrainian military bases.

[nowaysj]

Are you copy and pasting yourself?

[garethom]

Are you copy and pasting yourself?

Nope, but just responding to people that don't follow the thread so keep bringing up the same stuff.

[nowaysj]

Thought that one was verbatim.

[faultier]

people that don't follow the thread so keep bringing up the same stuff.

not sure it's aimed at me but yeah sorry i skipped through the magma/m8son drama part so might've missed stuff, this said, i don't think the stuff i posted above regarding the doubts over who the snipers that shot in the crowd in Kiev really were and the parallel with Venezuela 2002 had been mentioned before?

[nowaysj]

people that don't follow the thread so keep bringing up the same stuff.

not sure it's aimed at me but yeah sorry i skipped through the magma/m8son drama part so might've missed stuff, this said, i don't think the stuff i posted above regarding the doubts over who the snipers that shot in the crowd in Kiev really were and the parallel with Venezuela 2002 had been mentioned before?

Not sure I said that. The confusion continues

It's all good though, I personally appreciate people bringing news and information here.

[bennyfroobs]

That stat seems to be thrown around a lot, but it ignores the other part of it, that those 25,000 troops are required to remain on base, not locking down airports and surrounding Ukrainian military bases.

the government who set that up dont exist anymore lol

[magma]

That stat seems to be thrown around a lot, but it ignores the other part of it, that those 25,000 troops are required to remain on base, not locking down airports and surrounding Ukrainian military bases.

the government who set that up dont exist anymore lol

Neither do the government that set up the NHS; what's your point?

[bennyfroobs]

^ inappropriate comparison imo

[magma]

I must be missing your point then. Are you not suggesting that when a government gets overthrown all the laws they supported become moot?

Obviously, they all still apply until someone actually changes them. Nobody's changed much apart from the official language in Crimea... all previous law applies whether it relates to income tax, right to referendum or Russian troops.

[faultier]

@magma

i'm not sure if i'm misconstruing a playful willingness to argue for the sake of it as a genuine unwillingness to even consider the facts from a different point of view than the one presented in the western media... i liked you better when you had howard zinn in your sig instead of that MLP nonsense

[magma]

But my last two posts (Crimeans should be allowed referendum and agreeing with you that Russian troops still have the right to be stationed in Crimea despite new government in Kiev) were fairly contrary to the current western media take. I even started the day saying that nowaysj would be pleased to know I now disagree with our government on this. Would you rather I disagreed with you?

The sig is getting a bit grating, but unfortunately it's Pete's doing, not mine... I'm stuck with it for the moment.

[faultier]

ha, my bad, thought you disagreed with bennyfroobs, who disagreed with garethom that was apparently disagreeing with my earlier post... this thread is confusing