Ukraine

[bennyfroobs]

not saying it makes laws moot just saying that a revolution changes circumstances a bit

like imagine if this was scotland and not ukraine, what u think england would do?

[magma]

Well, we're currently arranging to give Scotland a referendum on independence, so...

[Forum]

if this was scotland and not ukraine, what u think england would do?

M. Jackson eating popcorn gif

[garethom]

Yeah, I guess it would be like the UK having peace treaties with all the other EU nations, but then labour get in at the next election, and France rock up, lock down Heathrow and take over Sussex.

[m8son666]

hopefully we would nuke scotland

[magma]

not saying it makes laws moot just saying that a revolution changes circumstances a bit

like imagine if this was scotland and not ukraine, what u think england would do?

Edit; a slightly more thought out response:

If England/Britain underwent a revolution which stripped Scottish, Welsh and Irish people of their right to be "Different" within Britain (i.e. something equivalent to removing Russian as a state language - perhaps banning Welsh road signs, closing BBC Cymru or abolishing the national football teams in favour of an England-dominated Lions) and one the countries decided they'd had enough and wanted to secede, I imagine we'd arrange a referendum for them to decide their own fate - much like we've done numerous times with Scotland, Wales and Ireland in varying degrees in the past. Over the past 20 years, we've given the nations within the Union autonomy fairly equivalent Crimea's within Ukraine and we're currently in the process of giving Scotland a referendum on total independence which is very comparable to the one people are opposing in Crimea.

I believe with a fair amount of confidence that we wouldn't try to militarily intimidate the vote, which (to me) is the only thing Russia are in danger of doing... aside from Ireland (which was effectively a civil war), we haven't used troops to keep the nations within the Union "British" for hundreds of years. Even Northern Ireland ended up with its own Parliament following the Troubles.

[poquepoque]

poque breaks dat thread.

Didnt read all of 19 pages.

I'll tell you that:
Snipers who were shooting are paid by putin.
His advantage such events: much of investors are sell their stocks by lower prices. Main bank buys it.Capital returns to Russia. they patch big holes in state budjet.
I thought that great geopolitical event was being accomplished, but no, that is another move to cut money.

[bennyfroobs]

putin, rly? i heard it was america who paid the snipers

[poquepoque]

putin, rly? i heard it was america who paid the snipers

I cant claim 100%.
But.
Before sniper shooting actions events flowed sluggishly, but after manytimes accelerated.
What is saying your mass meda, btw?

[bennyfroobs]

i dont watch mass media cos its pretty bias crappy, but from what i understand

usa: "rah rah rah russia sending in their troops illegally!111! we wont stand for this!!"
uk: "we get savely anal raped by america so we agree with whatever america does"

[m8son666]

we're more the eu's bitch than america's

[m8son666]

On another note:

News outlets love to make us, their audiences, agitated, frightened and bothered a lot of the time, that's how they make their money - and yet all of us have an even greater responsibility to ourselves to try to remain resilient and calm. They pretend that they are getting us wound up about the Ukraine for our own sakes; we should never forget that they're doing it for their bottom line.

At moments like this, we should turn to a philosophy known as Stoicism, which became popular in the late Roman era, under the guidance of two thinkers in particular, Seneca and Marcus Aurelius. The Stoics were living in a time of constant political turmoil, with wars, coups and intrigues breaking out on a continuous basis. The question they asked themselves was: how can a person remain calm in the face of constant risk?

Their answer was distinctive. Rather than allow oneself to be constantly surprised and panicked by the prospect of bad things that might happen, the Stoics preferred to make themselves fully at home with the very worst scenarios that could threaten humankind and then reassure themselves that, far from ideal, these new realities would still be survivable. 'A Stoic prefers to have two arms,' observed Seneca, 'but - after much practice and study - he will not despair if events mean that he ends up with only one.'

This sort of steely, resigned pessimism functions like a balm that can be applied right across the anxious wound created by the news agenda. Contrary to what the media suggests, hardly anything is ever totally awful, few things are truly shocking and very little is unsurvivable. The revolution will not mean the end of history; it will just change a lot of things in many different small and complicated ways. The moves in the Crimea will, at their worst, be a rerun of a version of the Yugoslavian conflict, which was terrible for many thousands and left you and 99.9% of humanity unscathed. The economic indices remain quite grim, but we have weathered comparable challenges many times over. A bad avian flu may disrupt international travel and defeat known drugs for a while, but research laboratories will eventually understand and contain it. The storms looked dramatic, but in the end, they affected merely a fraction of the population and receded soon enough. Rome fell, torn apart by vicious barbarians, but six hundred years later, everything was almost back to normal again.

http://www.philosophersmail.com/040314- ... kraine.php

[bennyfroobs]

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[nowaysj]

pockpock - could you post again what you said in your first post? I just woke up and didn't understand you. Could you say a little more?

Re: those snipers - I definitely believe they had military training based on their posture.

[ehbes]

we're more the eu's bitch than america's

[poquepoque]

pockpock - could you post again what you said in your first post? I just woke up and didn't understand you. Could you say a little more?

I dont know if putin started dat game with revolution, or not. But this events defenitely play into his hands. Capital returns in country, Crimea returns to it native owner, country have all-time rise of patriotism.

I cannot say that Pytin is good, or bad, but, he is more cold blooded, resolute than most of EU monkeys. All of sanctions will not stop him

[ehbes]

I love poquepoque's spelling mistakes I understand reasons

[poquepoque]

I love poquepoque's spelling mistakes I understand reasons

It would be nice if you point at dat mistakes. Who knows, may be someday i can speak engrishj

[ehbes]

I chalk it up to Russian being phonetic and English isn't

[poquepoque]

the whole point