Reasons why a UKIP vote is a good vote

[Muncey]

Be interesting to know how many houses are empty as well.. during the housing bubble houses were just good investments so many home owners are probably foreigners who may be treating it like any other asset.. instead of treating it as a potential house for someone.

I'd be surprised if we had a shortage of homes for people on a major scale.. back when immigration was very limited people still used to live like 6, 8, 10 poor people in a shitty small house.

I bet most of our (great) grandparents lived in relatively small houses with huge families, most of the children sharing rooms.. many homes housing 3 generations. Thats rare now, even working class families have a room each. To say immigration is causing a housing crisis is bullshit.

[scspkr99]

In 2010 there were about 2m people on housing lists and 500,000 empty houses.

Apart from anything jaydot is ignoring that people build houses when there are people needing them

[jrkhnds]

Jaydot's capability to read past any strong argument or dismiss them as being "not oppinion-changing" without even considering the facts and figures provided by some of you lot is worthy of admiration. Also, big ups those guys still trying even though Jaydot clearly shows no interest in discussing matters properly.
Little downs those guys shouting tnuc all over the place and being really ignorant alltogether.

[Muncey]

Presumably a lot of those houses are being used as investments/assets. Sounds like more of a problem than overpopulation due to immigration to me.

[AxeD]

I've been saying for years that social housing should first and foremost go to British people, British jobs for British workers etc. I'm not racist I have my best interests in mind, one day I might need social housing, one day I might need a blue-collar job, one day I might need to send my kids to school and I can't because immigrants have take their place. Plus the fact that the country isn't your own anymore, in big cities and towns it's like you're an alien from another planet sometimes with all the foreign tongues and that's not right,

do you realise how much this sounds like "i want bri'ain to be about bri'ish"?

White Jesus! That's racist.

[DJoe]

we just aren't building affordable housing on the scale we should be. i thought this was a well known problem?

[scspkr99]

Presumably a lot of those houses are being used as investments/assets. Sounds like more of a problem than overpopulation due to immigration to me.

There's a lot of council stock that's been allowed to deteriorate due to not having the cash to renovate, there's slums in major cities which seems an indictment of our priorities. It's a consequence of attacks on social housing over the last 30 years.

[Forum]

There's not enough incentive at the moment for developers to build affordable housing, it makes surrounding property harder to sell

[DJoe]

i think they're should be (if there isn't already) some sort of minimum percentage of the properties in a development need to be 'affordable' rule for property developers. definitely needed in london

[magma]

Presumably a lot of those houses are being used as investments/assets. Sounds like more of a problem than overpopulation due to immigration to me.

There's a lot of council stock that's been allowed to deteriorate due to not having the cash to renovate, there's slums in major cities which seems an indictment of our priorities. It's a consequence of attacks on social housing over the last 30 years.

Also a symptom of the London-centric economy that badly needs balancing out somehow... cities like Liverpool which is currently home to around half the number of people it was built for have now-unnecessary housing crumbling to the ground whilst London spawns satellite town after satellite town and strains to find rooms for its nurses and street cleaners.

[m8son666]

What does affordable mean though? Surely it's subjective or is their an accepted definition?

[Forum]

It's just the areas of development with small, clustered together houses/flats, often with part ownership schemes

[DJoe]

What does affordable mean though? Surely it's subjective or is their an accepted definition?

according to gov.uk

Affordable housing is social rented, affordable rented and intermediate housing, provided to eligible households whose needs are not met by the market. Eligibility is determined with regard to local incomes and local house prices. From April 2012 affordable housing is defined in the National Planning Policy Framework (prior to this the definitions in Planning Policy Statement 3 apply).

Affordable housing should include provisions to remain at an affordable price for future eligible households or for the subsidy to be recycled for alternative affordable housing provision.

Social rented housing is owned by local authorities and private registered providers (as defined in section 80 of the Housing and Regeneration Act 2008), for which guideline target rents are determined through the national rent regime. It may also be owned by other persons and provided under equivalent rental arrangements to the above, as agreed with the local authority or with the Homes and Communities Agency.

Affordable rented housing is let by local authorities or private registered providers of social housing to households who are eligible for social rented housing. Affordable Rent is subject to rent controls that require a rent of no more than 80 per cent of the local market rent (including service charges, where applicable).

Intermediate housing is homes for sale and rent provided at a cost above social rent, but below market levels subject to the criteria in the Affordable Housing definition above. These can include shared equity (shared ownership and equity loans), other low cost homes for sale and intermediate rent, but not affordable rented housing. Homes that do not meet the above definition of affordable housing, such as ‘low cost market’ housing, may not be considered as affordable housing for planning purposes.

[jaydot]

In 2010 there were about 2m people on housing lists and 500,000 empty houses.

Apart from anything jaydot is ignoring that people build houses when there are people needing them

Why are you quoting old figures? When since then more than anything (well probably since the 50s and 60s) we've seen migration soar? And obviously you can't look into the future, but it will continue to soar). And that leaves a large majority of people homeless.

[Muncey]

Presumably a lot of those houses are being used as investments/assets. Sounds like more of a problem than overpopulation due to immigration to me.

There's a lot of council stock that's been allowed to deteriorate due to not having the cash to renovate, there's slums in major cities which seems an indictment of our priorities. It's a consequence of attacks on social housing over the last 30 years.

Yeah I assume that'd be an issue as well. Although there is a difference between "not having the cash" and applying austerity measures and banging on about a balanced budget lol, theres always cash.. its whether the Government want to invest or not.

Its why when we go to war or a bank needs bailing out theres always money, but if houses need fixing or building its a decision not to.. not that theres not enough cash.. regardless of what they tell us.

[magma]

i think they're should be (if there isn't already) some sort of minimum percentage of the properties in a development need to be 'affordable' rule for property developers. definitely needed in london

This sort of law does exist btw... I've no idea of the specifics or how easy it is to get out of, but my best mate is a building surveyor and we were talking about exactly this just the other day. Just about to meet him for lunch actually... I'll ask what the rules actually are.

[DJoe]

i remember hearing about a law but i imagine its easy to circumvent

[jaydot]

Presumably a lot of those houses are being used as investments/assets. Sounds like more of a problem than overpopulation due to immigration to me.

There's a lot of council stock that's been allowed to deteriorate due to not having the cash to renovate, there's slums in major cities which seems an indictment of our priorities. It's a consequence of attacks on social housing over the last 30 years.

Also a symptom of the London-centric economy that badly needs balancing out somehow... cities like Liverpool which is currently home to around half the number of people it was built for have now-unnecessary housing crumbling to the ground whilst London spawns satellite town after satellite town and strains to find rooms for its nurses and street cleaners.

An aside issue but yes why are most governments so London-centric. The proposed high speed rail link for example, the projected plan is to build it to Manchester and Leeds but I'm betting it won't reach past Birmingham before they "run out of funds" or something.

[magma]

i remember hearing about a law but i imagine its easy to circumvent

I think one of the reliable ways is to make split-use buildings... I was reading some kerfuffle about the luxury tower block around Docklands that was used as one of the sets for Layer Cake last night, because it's got a hotel on the bottom few floors the residents are being blocked from forming a Residents Association... I imagine they'd also probably be able to block social housing because of how it'd "affect business" or something.

Which is probably why there are hotels and a shit load of offices planned for The Shard and I highly doubt anything approaching a council home!

[DJoe]

jaydot you still haven't really sufficiently replied to

If we don't have enough housing, jobs, schools etc. and british ppl aren't getting jobs, houses and school places because immigrants are taking them (which isn't happening to the extent you claim it does)..

..Why don't we build more houses and schools and create more jobs?
rather than implementing, what may not be racist policies, but what certainly are, nationalistic and unpleasant policies.

It seems your biggest gripe is not having access to these things, making you feel a 2nd classs citizen. rather than making another group feel like 2nd class citizens, we should build more houses etc.

Jaydot you are ignoring the fact that immmigration brings far more economical (and imo cultural) benefits to Britain than disadvantages and there are figures which back this up.


Why should a british person have more of a right to a job than a none british person, who lives in Britain legally and has a right to work? How can you claim this on any basis other than race/ethnicity?

also london centrism tends to happen when 1 in 6 people live there