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IPCC climate change report 2014

Post by DJoe » Tue Apr 15, 2014 4:21 pm

IPCC climate change report: averting catastrophe is eminently affordable
Landmark UN analysis concludes global roll-out of clean energy would shave only a tiny fraction off economic growth

Catastrophic climate change can be averted without sacrificing living standards according to a UN report, which concludes that the transformation required to a world of clean energy is eminently affordable.
“It doesn’t cost the world to save the planet,” said economist Professor Ottmar Edenhofer, who led the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) team.

The cheapest and least risky route to dealing with global warming is to abandon all dirty fossil fuels in coming decades, the report found. Gas – including that from the global fracking boom – could be important during the transition, Edenhofer said, but only if it replaced coal burning.

The authoritative report, produced by 1,250 international experts and approved by 194 governments, dismisses fears that slashing carbon emissions would wreck the world economy. It is the final part of a trilogy that has already shown that climate change is “unequivocally” caused by humans and that, unchecked, it poses a grave threat to people and could lead to wars and mass migration.

Diverting hundred of billions of dollars from fossil fuels into renewable energy and cutting energy waste would shave just 0.06% off expected annual economic growth rates of 1.3%-3%, the IPCC report concluded.
“The report is clear: the more you wait, the more it will cost [and] the more difficult it will become,” said EU commissioner Connie Hedegaard. The US secretary of state, John Kerry, said: “This report is a wake-up call about global economic opportunity we can seize today as we lead on climate change.”

The UK’s energy and climate secretary, Ed Davey, said: “The [report shows] the tools we need to tackle climate change are available, but international efforts need to significantly increase.”

The IPCC economic analysis did not include the benefits of cutting greenhouse gas emissions, which could outweigh the costs. The benefits include reducing air pollution, which plagues China and recently hit the UK, and improved energy security, which is currently at risk in eastern Europe due to the actions of Russia – a large producer of gas – in Ukraine.

The new IPCC report warns that carbon emissions have soared in the last decade and are now growing at almost double the previous rate. But its comprehensive ­analysis found rapid action can still limit global warming to 2C, the internationally agreed safe limit, if low-carbon energy triples or quadruples by 2050.

“It is actually affordable to do it and people are not going to have to sacrifice their aspirations about improved standards of living,” said Professor Jim Skea, an energy expert at Imperial College London and co-chair of the IPCC report team. “It is not a hair shirt change of lifestyle at all that is being envisaged and there is space for poorer countries to develop too,” Skea told the Guardian.

Nonetheless, to avoid the worst impacts of climate change at the lowest cost, the report envisages an energy revolution ending centuries of dominance by fossil fuels – which will require significant political and commercial change. On Thursday, Archbishop Desmond Tutu called for an anti-apartheid style campaign against ­fossil fuel companies, which he blames for the “injustice” of climate change.

Friends of the Earth’s executive director, Andy Atkins, said: “Rich nations must take the lead by rapidly weaning themselves off coal, gas and oil and funding low-carbon growth in poorer countries.”

Along with measures that cut energy waste, renewable energy – such as wind, hydropower and solar – is viewed most favourably by the report as a result of its falling costs and large-scale deployment in recent years.

The report includes nuclear power as a mature low-carbon option, but cautions that it has declined globally since 1993 and faces safety, financial and waste-management concerns. Carbon capture and storage (CCS) – trapping the CO2 from coal or gas burning and then burying it – is also included, but the report notes it is an untested technology on a large scale and may be expensive.

Biofuels, used in cars or power stations, could play a “critical role” in cutting emissions, the IPCC found, but it said the negative effects of some biofuels on food prices and wildlife remained unresolved.

The report found that current emission-cutting pledges by the world’s nations make it more likely than not that the 2C limit will be broken and it warns that delaying action any further will increase the costs.

Delay could also force extreme measures to be taken including sucking CO2 out of the air.

This might be done by generating energy by burning plants and trees, which had absorbed carbon from the atmosphere, and then using CCS to bury the emissions. But the IPCC warned such warned such carbon removal technologies may never be developed and could bring new risks.

“This is a very responsible report,” said Professor Andrew Watson, an atmospheric scientist at the University of Exeter who was not part of the IPCC team. He said there were economic and social risks in transforming the energy system to cut carbon. “However, there are even bigger risks if we do nothing and rely exclusively on being able to ride out climate change and adapt to it.”

Environmental campaign groups, which have previously criticised the IPCC for being too conservative, welcomed the new report. WWF’s Samantha Smith said: “The IPCC report makes clear that acting on emissions now is affordable, but delaying further increases the costs. It is a super strong signal to [fossil fuel] investors: they can no longer say they did not know the risks.”

Kaisa Kosonen, at Greenpeace International, said: “Renewable energy is unstoppable. It’s becoming bigger, better and cheaper every day. Dirty energy industries are sure to put up a fight but it’s only a question of time before public pressure and economics dictate that they either change or go out of business.”
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... -report-un
forgive the left wing article but the best summary i've found of what's happening.

for those that don't know basically The IPCC is an organisation set up to review current scientific knowledge of anthropogenic climate change, assess the impact of such climate change and explore ways in which negative impacts of anthropogenic climate change can be reduced . The panel, set up by the World Meteorological Society and the United Nations Environmental Programme (UNEP) is intergovernmental – it has members from several sovereign states – and its members are representatives of various governments who have backgrounds in meteorology and science (Weart, 2008). Every few years the IPCC releases an assessment report, reviewing current scientific knowledge of anthropogenic climate change, the fifth Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) assessment report was released yesterday


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Re: IPCC climate change report 2014

Post by dickman69 » Tue Apr 15, 2014 5:21 pm

interesting they think fracking is a better alternative to coal

i like fracking with the proper regulations in place
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Post by Muncey » Tue Apr 15, 2014 5:36 pm

http://www.greennewdealgroup.org/wp-con ... ersary.pdf

Good reading on a similar tip. Its quite a popular topic within economics actually, its quite clearly a serious problem when economists start worrying :lol:

Prosperity without Growth: Economics for a Finite Planet is a decent book on the same issues.

I'm pretty in favour of the green new deal although its ridiculously unlikely considering most governments have taken the austerity approach rather than spending.

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Re: IPCC climate change report 2014

Post by DJoe » Tue Apr 15, 2014 5:43 pm

its pretty much with just with regards to the mitigation of green house gasses.
in the uk for example gas from fracking would just replace gas we import so there would be no environmental benefits to using shale gas

yeah apparently we at the in a post ecological phase of thinking now which recognizes the socially constructed nature of environmental consciousness, the changing conceptions of nature influenced by societal values and social identity and the relational nature of these ideas. .

governments promote that ecological sustainability can be merged with economic growth and capitalism, in reality i think that the denial of its incompatibility with ecological, political, cultural and social sustainability is destructive
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Post by Muncey » Tue Apr 15, 2014 6:59 pm

Yeah I remember reading that many of the alternatives are actually worse, despite contributing a lot less currently if they was to replace stuff thats currently used it'd actually be a lot worse for the environment. Prosperity without Growth: Economics for a Finite Planet dedicates a whole chapter to the mindset of consumerism and being addicted to buying useless shit lol.. the author pretty much concluded that even with government support it wouldn't work without society completely being retaught and not relying so much on constant consumption. So things like factories working 24/7 to keep up with demand no longer exist.

I had no interest in it when we first started doing bits in lectures because I thought naively that it was all a bit hippy lol, turns out we are genuinely in a bit of a pickle.. a lot of people are just hoping technological advances will fix it eventually.

The shit that I really hate when talking about ecological issues is when people say we need to save the earth. No we don't, the earth is fine.. its humanity we're really trying to save.. to think otherwise is bullshit.

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Post by test_recordings » Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:53 pm

When the shit hits the fan, governments will act on their own. People will need to force it otherwise. It's actually really sensible to act now but people seem to prefer things being the same, risk aversion in change...
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Post by Harkat » Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:57 pm

nuclear power seems like easily the best option from my relatively uninformed perspective.
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Post by nowaysj » Wed Apr 16, 2014 6:39 am

Harkat wrote:nuclear power seems like easily the best option from my relatively uninformed perspective.
Totally agree, which is why I'm booking you a flight to Japan, where you can jump into one of the several reactors in meltdown to help clean up a bit.
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Post by Harkat » Wed Apr 16, 2014 8:52 am

Well yeah, obviously shit can go really wrong, but it's a matter of what's most realistic. The alternatives are pies in the sky. Either you go for nuclear energy, or you sit around hoping a massive innovation in sustainable eco-friendly energy is right around the corner, or you expect the world will soon adjust to not driving, eating meat or living the comfortable consumerist western lifestyle. The second is unrealistic and the last is basically impossible, as more and more parts of the world are gaining access to that sort of life we live in the west.
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Post by test_recordings » Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:51 am

If you didn't read the OP report, it said renewal energy is easy to switch to. Your view on this is pretty uninformed sorry, please go read it and come back
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Post by dickman69 » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:24 pm

Why isnt the takaway from this that countries should adopt regulations to limit CO2 not complete overhaul to green energy?

The US has cut CO2 from 5.4 to 5.1 million tons the last 3 years while China has risen from 8.2 to 9.8, Japan has risen, Russia has risen, these countries that havent cut eissions are the ones that should be under regulations

There is obviously a better way to do this than completely switch to green energy
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Re: IPCC climate change report 2014

Post by DJoe » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:33 pm

rayman612 wrote:Why isnt the takaway from this that countries should adopt regulations to limit CO2 not complete overhaul to green energy?

The US has cut CO2 from 5.4 to 5.1 million tons the last 3 years while China has risen from 8.2 to 9.8, Japan has risen, Russia has risen, these countries that havent cut eissions are the ones that should be under regulations

There is obviously a better way to do this than completely switch to green energy
yeah but the US uses several times more CO2 per capita than china or russia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... per_capita
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Yes but weve decreased our use
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Post by m8son666 » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:36 pm

Nuclear power is the only feasible option. In 50 years time when nuclear power is the No.1 energy source i will look back and laugh at all you dumb hippies
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Post by nowaysj » Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:28 pm

If we do do nuclear we do not need weaponized nuclear power plants. Nuclear proponents always externalize the true cost of nuclear and then claim how cheap it is. If you're going to do that, just continue to externalize the cost of fossil fuels. World wide drought, the death of all ocean life (except jelly fish), unlivable surface temperatures, megastorms, the dyking of most major world cities, with all of those costs externalized fossil fuel is helluv cheap dude, without the 100,000 year risk profile of nuclear.
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rayman612 wrote:Why isnt the takaway from this that countries should adopt regulations to limit CO2 not complete overhaul to green energy?

The US has cut CO2 from 5.4 to 5.1 million tons the last 3 years while China has risen from 8.2 to 9.8, Japan has risen, Russia has risen, these countries that havent cut eissions are the ones that should be under regulations

There is obviously a better way to do this than completely switch to green energy
Japan's emissions fell actually so you might want to double check the rest

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Do you not see "5 year average"
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Post by test_recordings » Thu Apr 17, 2014 4:39 am

Clarify your statements then, I don't get what you're trying to imply
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Post by Muncey » Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:52 am

An article about the green new deal: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... e-uk-needs

Study by the The University of Massachusetts Political Economy Research Institute: http://www.peri.umass.edu/fileadmin/pdf ... report.pdf

They calculated that $100bn on green investment would create 2m green jobs as opposed to 1.2m jobs if spent on household spending.

South Korea dedicated 80% of their fiscal stimulus to green investment and creating "green collar jobs"

OECD presentation on Korea: http://www.oecd.org/cfe/tourism/45558102.pdf

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