The Subway & Pizza Express fall under She-Ra law mega thread

[kidshuffle]

Haha BABYLON!

Also, gonna need to see your dick tip as well. They have a little hole at the teller window, you slip it in, and they check the depth of your faith.

Worst gloryhole ever

[faultier]

This is fucking jokes by the way.

i read a bit about Islamic banking, interesting ideas, look it up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_ba ... ndamentals

The term “Islamic banking” refers to a system of banking or banking activity that is consistent with Islamic law (Shariah) principles and guided by Islamic economics. In particular, Islamic law prohibits usury, the collection and payment of interest, also commonly called riba in Islamic discourse. In addition, Islamic law prohibits investing in businesses that are considered unlawful, or haraam (such as businesses that sell alcohol or pork, or businesses that produce media such as gossip columns or pornography, which are contrary to Islamic values). Furthermore the Shariah prohibits what is called "Maysir" and "Gharar". Maysir is involved in contracts where the ownership of a good depends on the occurrence of a predetermined, uncertain event in the future whereas Gharar describes speculative transactions. Both concepts involve excessive risk and are supposed to foster uncertainty and fraudulent behaviour. Therefore the use of all conventional derivate instruments is impossible in Islamic banking.[39] In the late 20th century, a number of Islamic banks were created to cater to this particular banking market.

not necessarily saying i entirely adhere with what is considered "unlawful" here, but still, i reckon these precepts (with maybe minor adaptations) could be an adequate response to the root causes of the financial crisis (imo tbh BBQ)

[nowaysj]

Yeah, there are good and bad things that come with that. It doesn't really make sense to me, as the UK's as well as the US's currency is based in debt and interest. The currency itself is created through debt and the payment of interest. I wonder how the i$lamic scholars handle that one? I'd bet they give it a pass, and a full two thumbs up.

But yeah, usury is destroying/destabalizing the world at every scale from individuals to nations. I am not adverse to lending/interest/fractional reserve banking, but at extremely more moderate levels with greater transparency.

But what is jokes is that members of a religion are afforded special treatment, just another aspect of the overall diminishment of English culture. Can't wait until sharia is applied to clubs in England and dubstepping is outlawed (consensually of course, through free market operation).

This shariaization is happening in the US's banking system as we speak. Look up Operation Choke Point - unfavorable industries are being denied accounts at banks and access in general to the US financial system. These are perfectly legal businesses that are having their accounts closed at banks because federal regulators are applying extralegal pressure (ie pressure not based on legal authority) on the banks to close accounts and deny loans. Currently the porn industry is being hit. The pretext is that these 30 industries present high risk... which is patently pretextual. If you want to talk about high risk in the banking industry I think you could find vastly larger too big to fail candidates, uhm maybe candidates that launder billions of dollars of illegal drug transactions annually.

[faultier]

Yeah, there are good and bad things that come with that. It doesn't really make sense to me, as the UK's as well as the US's currency is based in debt and interest. The currency itself is created through debt and the payment of interest. I wonder how the i$lamic scholars handle that one? I'd bet they give it a pass, and a full two thumbs up.

yes and no, anyway religious scholars aren't usually known for their ability to agree on stuff...

The word "riba" means interest, usury, excess, increase or addition, which according to Shariah terminology, implies any excess compensation without due consideration (consideration does not include time value of money). The definition of riba in classical Islamic jurisprudence was "surplus value without counterpart", or "to ensure equivalency in real value", and that "numerical value was immaterial."

Applying interest was acceptable under some circumstances. Currencies that were based on guarantees by a government to honor the stated value (i.e. fiat currency) or based on other materials such as paper or base metals were allowed to have interest applied to them. When base metal currencies were first introduced in the Islamic world, the question of "paying a debt in a higher number of units of this fiat money being riba" was not relevant as the jurists only needed to be concerned with the real value of money (determined by weight only) rather than the numerical value. For example, it was acceptable for a loan of 1000 gold dinars to be paid back as 1050 dinars of equal aggregate weight (i.e., the value in terms of weight had to be same because all makes of coins did not carry exactly similar weight).

just another aspect of the overall diminishment of English culture. Can't wait until sharia is applied to clubs in England and dubstepping is outlawed (consensually of course, through free market operation).

nowaysj please... now you're sounding like a daily mail columnist...

will look up that operation choke point

[nowaysj]

nowaysj please... now you're sounding like a daily mail columnist...

This is a dehumanizing and, ultimately, a violent attack on me. I reject your violence.

[scspkr99]

Newspaper equivalent of Fox News... it's mainly bigotry and hate speech unconvincingly masqueraded as "good, honest journalism". It's readers take it seriously; everyone else in the world facepalms on a regular basis.

About the best description of it I've read

[hubb]

Lloyd Banks ?

[Muncey]

but still, i reckon these precepts (with maybe minor adaptations) could be an adequate response to the root causes of the financial crisis (imo tbh BBQ)

You can have banking reform without a religious incentive though.. and the financial crisis was caused by the financial sector not just banking. Banking nowadays is basically the business of making money out of nothing, none of those would be put in place on a wide scale.

Its also combining the 2 major crises in the western world, 9/11 and the financial crisis.. thats political suicide, no pun intended.

[faultier]

^agreed entirely, my point wasn't that we should all convert to islam to solve the financial crisis, but more that some of the concepts behind Islamic bankings might be of interest

as for your comment about it being not only in the banking sector, but also the financial one, the paragraph of wikipedia i initially quoted addresses it quite accurately i'd say

Maysir is involved in contracts where the ownership of a good depends on the occurrence of a predetermined, uncertain event in the future whereas Gharar describes speculative transactions. Both concepts involve excessive risk and are supposed to foster uncertainty and fraudulent behaviour. Therefore the use of all conventional derivate instruments is impossible in Islamic banking

reminds you of anything? subprimes and derivatives possibly?


not sure what you mean about 9/11 tho

[Muncey]

Yeah its likely those concepts have been debated already and quickly put down. Mark Carney, head of the Bank of England, was bragging that the financial sector would soon be 5 times bigger than the UK economy.. takes "too big to fail" to a whole new level, really shows who does run the country.. so any concept that removes the most profitable parts of banking (the most risky) will never make it to any meaningful debate.

I just meant that even concepts that are found to be based on Shariah law would cause a massive stir.. 9/11 made Islam/Muslims hate figures, to come out and say the way to solve the 2nd crises is adopt concepts based on Shariah law would not go down well at all. Even if you don't say its based on Islamic banking, just look what Daily Fail managed to do with some information on Subway being cost effective

[faultier]

ah fair enough... am i venturing too far into tinfoil hat territory if i ask whether this might be one of the reasons Islam and muslims have been painted black these last few years?

[lovelydivot]

Every shop in the world caters to specific markets…

I don't think highlighting or stocking local preferences is the issue.


The issue is with maintaining a division of church and state.

reasonable accommodation is not exactly, "being governed by a religious doctrine"



I do think if Subway is going to completely remove pork products from it's menu…
It ought to consider starting a different franchise - or call themselves Subway Halal.



Why are we concerned about pork again?
Clergy make the best health inspectors….?
Because you can't distinguish between human and pork - ok murder - I got it…

outdated philosophy

or maybe not. Should we be racist here…

I heard - that one of the biggest complaints from Palestinians…
Was that large scale grocery distributors in the territories refused to stock their produce
and bought strictly from other Jewish suppliers….

Because the Jews were saying their methods were dirty.

That is a serious problem. True or not - whatever - It's a major issue.
That could be - Economic Disenfranchisement.

and multiple versions of - Gang Mentality. exploitable gang mentality.

That's my biggest issue with religions.

and it's not just jews - or not just palestinians - or evangelicals - or the religion of gays - or muslims
it's all of them - Religion is a failed attempt at law.

see - I'm going greek on you guys…I was born in D.C….

[lovelydivot]

I was just thinking some more….and I've just been polite...

and a kinda wish they would just stop with the bullshit…

If they don't want Subway…
because a piece of bacon might touch the glove of their turkey service…

They need to just fuck off and boycott Subway.


Then Subway can just feel their lack of revenue and close up…
Then the neighborhood can get their own whatever sandwich shop.

But to pressure a chain with an established menu worldwide….
into making religious moves…WHY DO THEY CARE REALLY?

Are they forced to eat at the Subway?
IS Subway the only available food source…

Why do they get to alter Subways business plan?


It's really up to Subway to determine who they want to buy meats from…
and really this is all - just a symptom of a larger problem…

..that someone out there wants you to not have bacon.

-and they feel even having it in the vicinity of their precious other meats is inferior.

They are so worried about pig meat tainting their soul…
They need to worry about their cousin trading his 8 yr old daughter to pay a debt.

[faultier]

They are so worried about pig meat tainting their soul…
They need to worry about their cousin trading his 8 yr old daughter to pay a debt.

you too? did i miss the memo about it being "casual islamophobia month" on snh or something?

[lovelydivot]

I am seriously not a fan of these retarded religions right now….

I am very, VERY anti-evangelical christian these days….
so it's not just islam…




I feel like they are cloaking control issues with freedom of religion - insistences

It's a lie.

[faultier]

i agree everyone of these religions have a small minority of nutters giving them a bad name, just disappointed by some of the foxnewsworthy generalizations expressed here or in the UKIP thread

[lovelydivot]

In absolute and complete honesty…If we are gonna play this particular game.

…the untainted religious food game...


The Indian religions, Buddhism, and Rastafaria should win
and we should have ZERO MEAT…




That's all there is to it.

Just a shitload of chickpeas…

[magma]

Anyway, no pressure from Muslim groups was exerted here; "they" (gosh) didn't alter Subway's business plan. It was a business decision based on the economic definition of demand, not the hostage negotiation definition.

It really doesn't matter.

[hubb]

@ lovely D

The issue is with maintaining a division of church and state.

It is not about that unfortunately. Not pre-integration at least. We have to open our arms to people where a few can't comprehend that seperation, until they settle.

However, 'they' won't ever have a democratic say in the idea of joining church and state, that's the single concept that can not translate, which is fine.

[nitz]

To the comments that say this is just business practice and having a target audience

A daily mail comment response would be, ' yeah they started at subway and now they asking for tesco and asda to remove the bacon and pork. Then they'll just looked of the whole food chain… when it will stop!!!"


To the thing about as to how a muslim scholar handle debt and just how the whole system works, considering money is actually just made out of think air, i think that's the wrong question to ask. Because if they had it their way, as in the way normal muslim countries are ran, i don't think they work on that debt shit like us man.