Elliot Rodger

[ultraspatial]

the feminist and anti-feminist backlash this got is laughable
oh let's take someone's tragedy to push our agenda
the nerds hi5-ing the dude in the yt comments, saying it's all the woman's fault bla bla are fucking pathetic. here's an idea, maybe don't build your entire image & personality around *creepy niche thing noone cares about*

dude clearly had some issues which alienated him from others which in turn made him miss those important lessons of how to cope with rejection n shit - and cue vicious cycle. add in failure from authorities and people around him, and probably some sad neckbeards going on about how much women suck on reddit, and you got a shitstorm on your hands. it's sad really

[nitz]

I'm going to tell 2 stories here…

one

Towards the end of high school - I had a group of friends…
One of these friends was a kid called Jeff Shiels.

He was extremely attractive - wealthy - father was an attorney…
Was immensely talented and intelligent…scathingly intelligent.
Scathingly - If you didn't understand punk rock…
- you would be intimidated by his cynicism.

I liked him a lot - especially when he wasn't worried.
He was very cool - and nice - and his girl was too.
Quality people.

I remember this one night at the dance club
- all the "guys" - all of them - spent the entire night hitting on this one girl
- like a pack of wolves…I didn't understand it…
and on the ride home - I asked him what that was
- Why would they all try to hit on that particular girl and not say - one of us, their friends…
and he said - "That's because we actually like you."

That sorta stuck with me - of all the things I remember.

After high school - him and a handful of our friends moved to NY to do college…
He was going to study film…and I remember thinking
- out of all of them - maybe him and one other...
would become instantly and massively successful
- because they were so set and savvy and confident.

He committed suicide on thanksgiving day last year

Early this year - I ran into one of my friends that had moved to NY with him
and he told me this…That somewhere along the line
- Jeff had become very angry and hateful towards women…
and he was showing up to parties talking about how he could get any girl to do a spank video.
My friend said he didn't have a drug problem or anything like that…
Just that he was into this weird strain of porn…or was trying to be
and that he had become so mean and weird that they all stopped hanging out with him.

Come to find out - he had moved to Austin Texas by himself...
- and had a child secretly, and was intensely estranged from the girls mother…

He called the girls mother on thanksgiving day because he wanted to see his daughter…
The mother said no - and he blew his brains…on the phone
- the phone was still in his hand when they found the body - a month later...

I really don't understand beyond him failing to be the success that was expected of him...
coming from such a serious family - rumor has it that his older sister was an incredible bitch.

story 2

I worked with an older lady named Mary Ann.
She was extremely good looking for her age…
Was intensely nice - smart and helpful…hardworking.
She never married.
I asked her about it one day and she said…
after college, she just never met anyone.
She started working - didn't socialize as much and just never met anyone.

I'm sure she "met" people - but just none that were interested in that way.

tragic story the first one - didn't really understand the 2nd one or it's purpose.

[garethom]

It took a month to find his body when he was on the phone to somebody when he killed himself?

[NickUndercover]

He met with Xenu

[nowaysj]

It took a month to find his body when he was on the phone to somebody when he killed himself?

The phone bill was excruciatingly large.

[Lye_Form]

Pretty ironic that there are prob thousands of crazy women willing to bone him now hes a serial killer.

[lovelydivot]

It took a month to find his body when he was on the phone to somebody when he killed himself?

It just shows you how isolated he had become in his weirdness…

He was suffering something that not even his close friends were able to identify or tolerate…
How do you determine if your friend is experiencing something mental…
when it just reads like he's being a dick...

The second story was just to show how a normal, well adjusted, attractive person
can go through life without finding a mate…

...in response to entitlement.

a mate isn't something pre-scripted to you just because you're here…

[orangeluva56]

he did it cuz he had a small dick lol

he thought the average size was 4 inches instead of 5.5 or whatever

no lie look it up

[OGLemon]

rip. such a shame, he could have got help and this whole situation could have been prevented. Can't survive on could haves. Change is needed desperately.

[titchbit]

i think the main crux of this story actually isn't mental illness or gun control or feminism - it's ableism & prostitution - which in a way is still feminism/patriarchy. society is set up in a way to disallow "losers" or mentally ill people from engaging in life, one of the most basic forms of which is sex. let's face it - there are always gonna be bitter arrogant losers who can't get any pussy. why not just let them engage in consensual, legal prostitution? because of ableism imo. he's seen as a "loser" or a "weirdo" and thus he shouldn't be allowed to enjoy life.

The kid had a fucking personality disorder ffs. some of the hatred i've seen towards him is ridiculous. All the people that mocked him and shamed him (before & after the incident) should feel horrible for what they did. Instead of mocking him they should have encouraged him to get help and maybe this could have been prevented. Sure what he did was terrible, but if he had the choice at birth to be either a pathetic cringey narcissistic virgin man-child or a average joe six-pack who fucks basic bitches, he'd probably settle for the basic bitches. but this kid has (well, had) a personality disorder. i don't think people really understand the weight of that fact. imo this is one of the worst existences somebody could have.

it reminds me of the difference between a disease like ALS and one like Alzheimer's (I know people that have died from both). People with ALS suffer so much worse than those with Alzheimer's because their mind is the last thing that goes, so they have to watch theirself slowly degrade until they finally die, whereas people with Alzheimer's are essentially delirious by the time their body begins to suffer. This kid was aware enough to see how much his life sucked and see how fucked up he was, but was too fucked up to change it. I find that horrible and sad to be honest. He's not the devil though, let's be real about it.

And the feminist/liberal reaction to this has been ridiculous. No one wants to look at this kid as a human being. They just want to use him for their political agenda - feminsim, gun control, etc. I agree entirely with the basic intentions of feminsim and their foundational beliefs, but i think they make a lot of (selfish) mistakes in their arguments. For one, I think the need for sex is actually instinctive and not gettin' any for a long time nevermind 22 YEARS will cause severe stress, maybe even contribute to his mental problems. it is just as strong as the need for sociality, food, and water. But then the feminists take this to imply that "oh so you must think women only exist for the purpose of sexually gratifying men." Not at all. Again, what is wrong with legal, consensual prostitution? No women should be forced to sleep with the dude but if there's one who would do it for some money and he's willing to pay, then why the fuck not?

And this is not just for dudes btw. There are plenty of women out there who can't get any - why shouldn't they be able to participate in one of their basic instincts? Why can't we let them have male prostitutes? It seems like the humane thing to do imo. And it's not just about sex btw, it's about emotional connections with people, which are most powerful during sex (get that oxytocin pumping yuh feel meh?).


TL;DR:

I dunno why nobody else has really talked about prostitution in this case - maybe i'm juts a big civil liberties person in general and that's why it struck that chord for me. I realize that a lot of what I'm saying sounds somewhat similar to some of the terrible arguments you've been hearing around teh interwebz - being "denied" sex. But there's a crucial difference between being denied sex by "blonde sorority girls" and by society as a whole through the antiquated criminalization & stigmatization of prostitution. It's just as important as a civil liberties issue as drug legalization imo, but actually more important because it addresses a more basic human instinct.

If someone can explain to me why prostitution is either irrelevant or a bad idea I am completely open to hearing that case, because I haven't heard it anywhere else.

[wysockisauce]

Nobody has said anything about prostitution because matters of sex are often avoided in the US due to the social discomfort it creates, unlike violence. Maybe a reversal isn't too far off if only because of the internet.

[faultier]

And dfault:

Your ignorance of the American psyche could be excused due to your distance and steady diet of propaganda, but I think it is actually a willful ignorance used redirect attention away from your nation's psyche which authored our specie's darkest century of human violence.

it sounds like you mistakenly think i'm german

[nowaysj]

People certainly have been talking about prostitution in regards to this. It was one of the first things I heard. First, of course being that we can't have these knives available to just anyone.

Prostitution would not have helped this guy. It is not just sexual frustration. In all honesty he could have masturbated all he wanted to satisfy sexual needs. What he needed was belonging, engagement, connectedness to society. It is a grim fuck that doesn't need that. He needed it badly, maybe even more than most.

BUT dude was off his rocker. He undoubtedly had unending opportunities for engagement, but he could not do it. He could not figure out how it works, human relations. So he created barriers and fixations around the issue. All self erected. At a certain point, he wasn't even looking for connection, it just turned into an abstraction, a fixation on an concept - a mental loop.

But again, remember, I think he was actually possessed by Lucifer, as well as I don't believe he was a real person. His online identity seems too thin and contrived, I'm also curious how his little punk ass killed three people with a knife, also several witnesses as well as police mentioned two shooters. Unsurprisingly.

But what is the deal with him getting beat up, like, a year ago? Anyone hear anything about that? Supposedly that is when he really hatched this plan of revenge.

[nowaysj]

And dfault:

Your ignorance of the American psyche could be excused due to your distance and steady diet of propaganda, but I think it is actually a willful ignorance used redirect attention away from your nation's psyche which authored our specie's darkest century of human violence.

it sounds like you mistakenly think i'm german

It is no mistake, I've checked your genetics.

[Sexual_Chocolate]

tldr someone plz

i dont watch tv or read the newspaper.

[titchbit]

People certainly have been talking about prostitution in regards to this. It was one of the first things I heard. First, of course being that we can't have these knives available to just anyone.

Prostitution would not have helped this guy. It is not just sexual frustration. In all honesty he could have masturbated all he wanted to satisfy sexual needs. What he needed was belonging, engagement, connectedness to society. It is a grim fuck that doesn't need that. He needed it badly, maybe even more than most.

BUT dude was off his rocker. He undoubtedly had unending opportunities for engagement, but he could not do it. He could not figure out how it works, human relations. So he created barriers and fixations around the issue. All self erected. At a certain point, he wasn't even looking for connection, it just turned into an abstraction, a fixation on an concept - a mental loop.

But again, remember, I think he was actually possessed by Lucifer, as well as I don't believe he was a real person. His online identity seems too thin and contrived, I'm also curious how his little punk ass killed three people with a knife, also several witnesses as well as police mentioned two shooters. Unsurprisingly.

But what is the deal with him getting beat up, like, a year ago? Anyone hear anything about that? Supposedly that is when he really hatched this plan of revenge.

yes i think i heard he got kicked out of a party or something like that. don't quote me on that though.

but seriously NWJ what the fuck? "possessed by Lucifer?" is that some kind of joke? "don't believe he was a real person"? is that like, a metaphor for him having a fake/artificial personality? trying to be a patrick bateman character to feel more important than he actually is? or are you getting into some conspiracy shit here? i also didn't hear anything about knives...."we can't have these knives available to just anyone." what the hell does that mean?



anyway, i think prostitution would have helped him. i would bet he would feel more emotional connection through the act of sex, even if it is paid for. plus he clearly had a family, probably some friends, definitely at least acquaintances - it's not like he was a total recluse - he was a college student. i think it was mainly the lack of sex that got to him. i do agree with what you said about the "mental loop" though. that's definitely true.

[faultier]

tldr someone plz

i dont watch tv or read the newspaper.

kid kills several people. turns out he left a trail of weird/creepy/fedora-ish blog/forum posts and youtube vids complaining he wasn't getting any/plotting his 'revenge'. national debate on misogynism and gun control ensues

Prostitution would not have helped this guy. It is not just sexual frustration. In all honesty he could have masturbated all he wanted to satisfy sexual needs. What he needed was belonging, engagement, connectedness to society. It is a grim fuck that doesn't need that. He needed it badly, maybe even more than most.

BUT dude was off his rocker. He undoubtedly had unending opportunities for engagement, but he could not do it. He could not figure out how it works, human relations. So he created barriers and fixations around the issue. All self erected. At a certain point, he wasn't even looking for connection, it just turned into an abstraction, a fixation on an concept - a mental loop.

actually insightful stuff here

But again, remember, I think he was actually possessed by Lucifer, as well as I don't believe he was a real person. His online identity seems too thin and contrived, I'm also curious how his little punk ass killed three people with a knife, also several witnesses as well as police mentioned two shooters. Unsurprisingly.

so if it's a conspiracy, what do you reckon is the ulterior motive? advancing pro-gun control agenda?

It is no mistake, I've checked your genetics.

i ain't german tho, god forbid

[nowaysj]

I really did think you were german, what is it then? I don't even know where I formed that concept?

Conspiracy... who knows. Yeah of course, gun control. That one fucking dad that is like playing on loop on every news channel saying the NRA did this killing. I guess the dads of the stabbed kids are just outta luck, fuck them, just have to accept their deaths.

Maybe further discredit the US on the international stage? I really don't know, but this dude's presence is shallow, he just pops up, "Hi I'm Elliot Rodger, that is E-L-L-I-O-T R-O-D-G-E-R, and I'm going to kill people." Forum posts with his name ELLIOT RODGER directed towards the videos. Everything is absolutely one dimensional, "I'm ELLIOT RODGER, and girls don't like me, I'll get my revenge." I don't know dude.

His dad is a director on The Hunger Games, the author of The Hunger Games lives in Sandy Hook, you know, weird shit.

I don't know bro.

[titchbit]

i see why you're skeptical, but occam's razor bro. you should take that into account more. sandy hook? link to that?

[nowaysj]

Occam's razor is better applied to physical phenomena. Men's affairs are fucked. That Sandy Hook shit? I made it up.