Elliot Rodger

[Genevieve]

gene i think that video is pretty spot on tbh

Word, Stefan treated Elliot like an actual person, based on his manifesto. In most analyses of Rodger, they highlight how he was an 'entitled male' and solely talked about his environment and explained Rodger's personality through ideology. Molyneux IS biased in that he explains a lot of things through childhood, but he was fairly non-partisan and looked at what factors could directly contribute to him as a person.

The change he made from his mid teens to adulthood is staggering, though.

[rickyarbino]

It's not really true though, is it?

What isn't? The MRA or PUA thing? No. There's no connections to him being an MRA at all and he was a member of an anti-PUA site.

As Stefan Molyneux pointed out though, he was subscribed to The Young Turks on YT, but no one blames liberals for his acts.

The entire analysis. It's an opinion.

[Genevieve]

It's not really true though, is it?

What isn't? The MRA or PUA thing? No. There's no connections to him being an MRA at all and he was a member of an anti-PUA site.

As Stefan Molyneux pointed out though, he was subscribed to The Young Turks on YT, but no one blames liberals for his acts.

The entire analysis. It's an opinion.

Hence why I called it an analysis. But unlike the politically driven, usually feminist based, "analyses" that try to explain Elliot Rodger's deeds solely through patriarchy theory, Molyneux actually looked at Elliot's manifesto and the person. And I already expected, based on his actions (without delving into his past) that he was withheld something he was entitled to as a child, care and affection, which then caused his future sense of entitlement. Molyneux supported my thoughts with quotes from the manifesto

[titchbit]

yeah i thought it was really spot on and more than just an opinion. i think the way the feminist community / gun control people tried to frame this was disgusting tbf. they didn't look at him as a human being (objectification?). they didn't look at any of the factors in his life that contributed to what he did. and the way they contributed to the demon-ization of the mentally ill was repulsive, calling him a "monster" and "evil" and just trying throw the whole thing on mental illness for the sake of passing background checks. they've convinced society that in order to commit a mass-murder, you must first be mentally ill, which is ridiculous. terrible people can commit murders without being mentally ill. and it goes without saying that the overwhelming majority of mentally ill people do not commit murders.

i think all humans are born the same (generally good people that want to be pro-social), but factors in some people's lives change them. he had a horrible childhood and was born with poor social instincts (mild autism). what he did isn't justifiable, but it's understandable. yet the media portrayed him as a monster, misogynist, etc, as if he didn't hate men either. he was just a hateful person in general because of how poorly he was treated his whole life. some of the feminist articles i read really went over the edge with the generalizations about men being horrible. that made me sad because i would consider myself a feminist but that kinda shit makes people like me not want to support their cause.

it's hard to form an opposing opinion against the feminists for a few reasons. one, you don't want to come off as a sympathizer of the "nice guy" community (and i'm not, but there are other ways that the kid was mistreated besides by women. feminists have also framed the debate so that the simple act of disagreeing with anything a feminist says makes you a misogynist, a supporter of patriarchy, etc, which is essentially fascism.

[wub]

I've seen you, brub. First moment I saw ER, I thought of you.

Not the first ninja I've seen say that about Gene.

[Genevieve]

yeah i thought it was really spot on and more than just an opinion. i think the way the feminist community / gun control people tried to frame this was disgusting tbf. they didn't look at him as a human being (objectification?). they didn't look at any of the factors in his life that contributed to what he did. and the way they contributed to the demon-ization of the mentally ill was repulsive, calling him a "monster" and "evil" and just trying throw the whole thing on mental illness for the sake of passing background checks. they've convinced society that in order to commit a mass-murder, you must first be mentally ill, which is ridiculous. terrible people can commit murders without being mentally ill. and it goes without saying that the overwhelming majority of mentally ill people do not commit murders.

i think all humans are born the same (generally good people that want to be pro-social), but factors in some people's lives change them. he had a horrible childhood and was born with poor social instincts (mild autism). what he did isn't justifiable, but it's understandable. yet the media portrayed him as a monster, misogynist, etc, as if he didn't hate men either. he was just a hateful person in general because of how poorly he was treated his whole life. some of the feminist articles i read really went over the edge with the generalizations about men being horrible. that made me sad because i would consider myself a feminist but that kinda shit makes people like me not want to support their cause.

it's hard to form an opposing opinion against the feminists for a few reasons. one, you don't want to come off as a sympathizer of the "nice guy" community (and i'm not, but there are other ways that the kid was mistreated besides by women. feminists have also framed the debate so that the simple act of disagreeing with anything a feminist says makes you a misogynist, a supporter of patriarchy, etc, which is essentially fascism.

Yeah, the feminist analyses only say that 'men are entitled and this is what happens when you condone their entitlement'. Laci Green, a youtube feminazi celebrity, had a video saying '70 of 71 serial killers in the last 3 decades had one thing in common; they were men' etc and then started saying the usual drivel about male privilege. But men do just receive less affection and love through-out their lives, starting when they are born. Couldn't it just be that men act out aggressive urges for receiving less affection, which they then feel entitled to?

I've seen you, brub. First moment I saw ER, I thought of you.

Not the first ninja I've seen say that about Gene.

Who else? This is just weird. I really think it's just angles. He and I literally look nothing alike other than angles he chooses to take pictures of himself.

..I checked with a real life friend. He said that he thought I looked like him too the other night, but then I asked if I did in real life as well and he said 'no'. We both agreed it's probably just the angles of the pictures that could make us seem similar.

[titchbit]

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yeah i thought it was really spot on and more than just an opinion. i think the way the feminist community / gun control people tried to frame this was disgusting tbf. they didn't look at him as a human being (objectification?). they didn't look at any of the factors in his life that contributed to what he did. and the way they contributed to the demon-ization of the mentally ill was repulsive, calling him a "monster" and "evil" and just trying throw the whole thing on mental illness for the sake of passing background checks. they've convinced society that in order to commit a mass-murder, you must first be mentally ill, which is ridiculous. terrible people can commit murders without being mentally ill. and it goes without saying that the overwhelming majority of mentally ill people do not commit murders.

i think all humans are born the same (generally good people that want to be pro-social), but factors in some people's lives change them. he had a horrible childhood and was born with poor social instincts (mild autism). what he did isn't justifiable, but it's understandable. yet the media portrayed him as a monster, misogynist, etc, as if he didn't hate men either. he was just a hateful person in general because of how poorly he was treated his whole life. some of the feminist articles i read really went over the edge with the generalizations about men being horrible. that made me sad because i would consider myself a feminist but that kinda shit makes people like me not want to support their cause.

it's hard to form an opposing opinion against the feminists for a few reasons. one, you don't want to come off as a sympathizer of the "nice guy" community (and i'm not, but there are other ways that the kid was mistreated besides by women. feminists have also framed the debate so that the simple act of disagreeing with anything a feminist says makes you a misogynist, a supporter of patriarchy, etc, which is essentially fascism.

Yeah, the feminist analyses only say that 'men are entitled and this is what happens when you condone their entitlement'. Laci Green, a youtube feminazi celebrity, had a video saying '70 of 71 serial killers in the last 3 decades had one thing in common; they were men' etc and then started saying the usual drivel about male privilege. But men do just receive less affection and love through-out their lives, starting when they are born. Couldn't it just be that men act out aggressive urges for receiving less affection, which they then feel entitled to?

yeah, i mean i wouldn't really call it drivel or say feminazi but if that's true, it's not like that's a "win" for men. i think men & women both face unique challenges in today's world, and i'm not sure if one is necessarily more of a challenge than the other, although it does seems more likely that women face more problems. but if men are committing most mass murders, that means society is pressuring them to be mass murderers, and that's not exactly a good thing.... yanno? like, the mass murdering is the result of problems that men face, not a result of good things that are provided to them by society.

i think the problem is feminists, not feminism.

[rickyarbino]

Why do you care if he looks like you? As far as your genetics are concerned he's just some nig.ga...

[Genevieve]

Why do you care if he looks like you? As far as your genetics are concerned he's just some nig.ga...

I don't? I just don't think that I do. To me it's like holding up a picture of Bill Cosby and saying he looks like me. Is it against the law to be surprised by something?

[rickyarbino]

Let's face it man, you do look at least a little bit alike.

[hifi]

i only date online now becaus of this

[titchbit]

PUAhate, PUA, "nice guys," body acceptance girls, and all of these online communities that have to do with sex are all stupid as fuck imo. and cringey to the max.

just go outside and talk to people is it really that fuckin hard. do you need a "playbook" and a plan to form relationships with girls and acting like its a sport is super cringe.

[hifi]

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[nousd]

when they lack self-esteem or lack of love
women don't tend to kill other people in revenge
but put-on/take-off weight
and make other people's lives miserable.

didn't I read that this guy had aspergers'?
which presumably exacerbated his self-absorption,
made it nigh on impossible to get some perspective
and act to become happier

and how could he have acted to become happier?
imo, cater to other people's needs rather than focus on his own;
contribute, share, join, engage, give...
instead, he takes...lives.

Here he would have found that harder to do
because he couldn't easily arm himself with potent weapons.
Instead, he would have just killed himself
and there'd have been no big deal.

[titchbit]

do you write in iambic pentameter on purpose?

[rickyarbino]

He's the resident poet.

[nowaysj]

instead, he takes...lives.

Here he would have found that harder to do
because he couldn't easily arm himself with potent weapons.

Half of his kills were with a knife, and if the kid really did want to cause harm, he could have done much more with things other than a gun. Again and again, we are lucky that these people limit themselves to guns.

[rickyarbino]

By your logic we could eliminate guns and restrict them to knives tbh.

[titchbit]

U talkin about RPGs brah?

[nowaysj]

Yeah.

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