New UK Law *up to 7 years for gay joke/lyrics*

[shonky]

I bet the banning of bashing Religions will be on the agenda next, it really wouldn't surprise me at all if something likes this follows suite when this gay thing comes in to play.

I thought the incitement to religious hatred laws had come in already. Seeing as quite a lot of religions have to view others as wrong or infidels as they have the one true god then I don't really see how it would work. Surely most religions are essentially intolerant of each other.

[dutty yuppie]

When will it stop?? comedians being put in jail for making gay jokes too??

Well, we better watch this whilst we still can. Eddie Murphy in Raw!

"He's an asshole...."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_geO8hqnz0

(Weasel's link mentions that the laws will not apply to non-inciteful comedy)

[dutty yuppie]

I have nothing against gay people, people of a different colour to me, old people, fat people, midgets etc,

*notes omission of Muslim *

Seriously though, I think it's no surprise the Government are under pressure to call an election whilst their popularity is apparently on the wane...They need support from all the groups they can muster. Call me cynical...

[jackieboi]

(Weasel's link mentions that the laws will not apply to non-inciteful comedy)

Oh its okay no need for the link, i just read through everyone elses opinions and make my mind up through there, no need to see any visual proof when you've got dubsteppers on the case, in what better hands could you put your opinions on real life issues.

And That eddie murphy clip is fucking hilarious, what a dapper getting Mel B preggers then just point blank denying its his even after proof n whats Jeremy Kyle gona do to Eddie Murphy.

[shonky]

When will it stop?? comedians being put in jail for making gay jokes too??

Well, we better watch this whilst we still can. Eddie Murphy in Raw!

"He's an asshole...."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_geO8hqnz0

(Weasel's link mentions that the laws will not apply to non-inciteful comedy)

Wasn't Eddie Murphy the one who gave a "lift" to an unconvincing tranny prostitute?

Hmmmmm...

[jackieboi]

When will it stop?? comedians being put in jail for making gay jokes too??

Well, we better watch this whilst we still can. Eddie Murphy in Raw!

"He's an asshole...."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_geO8hqnz0

(Weasel's link mentions that the laws will not apply to non-inciteful comedy)

Wasn't Eddie Murphy the one who gave a "lift" to an unconvincing tranny prostitute?

Hmmmmm...

.............Mel B??

[shonky]

I have nothing against gay people, people of a different colour to me, old people, fat people, midgets etc,

*notes omission of Muslim *

Seriously though, I think it's no surprise the Government are under pressure to call an election whilst their popularity is apparently on the wane...They need support from all the groups they can muster. Call me cynical...

Cynical bastard, they really do care you know. Unless you're poor of course in which case you're fucked.

[jackieboi]

How could I forget muslim!! What kind of unpolitically correct have-a-go racist am i?!

[echo wanderer]

I just can't understand why or how battymen can get all in a huff about someone's spirtual beliefs

Not liking gays isn't a spiritual belief.

Actually,it is.If a faithful follower of ANY religion holds true the doctrine of thier faith,then to THAT person, it is most certainly a spiritual belief.Look at all of the far-right Christians in this country.Now you and I might not feel the same way,but they truly believe that homosexuality,abortion,and pre-marital sex is immoral and spiritually wrong.That is thier spiritual belief.Just because it's not your belief,doesn't mean it doesn't carry as much conviction.And the same goes for them.

Granted,the lyrics are violent,and it is a known fact that battymen in yard will be beaten severely,or even killed(in rare cases).

Then......

Again,it's all about choice.Just like I choose not to listen to Skrewdriver,because the concept of white supremecy/white power kind of offends me.But I wouldn't call for the arrest of the bands or fans of that music based on lyrics alone.Now if they burned a cross on my lawn or graffitti swastikas all over my front door,then there would be a serious problem.

I'm not sure the problem is that of gay people listening to it. It's a question of incitement and, given what I quoted first in the post, there's a good case for saying they could be linked.

Playing devils advocate because I lean towards what I put in bold although if someone painted a swastika on your front lawn because a song told them to then you can see why there's a problem.

Yeah.Sure.And Rob Halford and Ozzy should be put to death because they caused some severly depressed teenagers to kill themselves.And while we're at it,why don't we draw and quarter Marilyn Manson,Slipknot,and Korn for Columbine.

People do things of thier own free will.One isn't "born" into a spiritual path,they are either forced(via upbringing) or(more likely) choose what belief they want.Just because a Rasta thinks gays should burn in hell doesn't mean they are going to help get them there a little faster.There are a lot of extremists that are all bark and no bite.They believe what they speak to be true,but do not always act upon it.And I never said that all Reggae deals with beating up gay people.I was being more specific about yard culture and Rastafari belief.And the same thing goes for my comment on rap and hiphop.Yeah,there are songs that deal will that specifcally,but it is but a minute fraction of the thousands of recordings released in and outside JA every year.

[emcee child]

I think the silencing of any unpopular opinion isn't helpful because there is then no way of debating it. It just gives legitimacy to the idea that it must be "truth" because "they" don't want you to talk about it, which is pretty common in many racist groups.

well said man.

I truly believe the old saying to be true here..
"I might not agree with what u say but I will die for your right to say it."

Freedom of speech plain and simple. Let each man decide what he believes.. even if it's wrong. By allowing it, it encourages debate and will expose hate as what it is.

Out of curiosity.. Is gay marrige leagal in Uk? if not it's a bit of a double standard..

Deep topic for the ninja forum.. gonna be watching this one close.. lets av some propper disscussion here folks..

[dutty yuppie]

Out of curiosity.. Is gay marrige leagal in Uk? if not it's a bit of a double standard..

Deep topic for the ninja forum.. gonna be watching this one close.. lets av some propper disscussion here folks..

Yes, has been for a year or two (called a 'civil partnership').

Yeah, I love a discussion. I was going to start a thread actually about today's high school shooting but I didn't think the ninja forum would cope (and I'm battered now)

[shonky]

I think Civil Partnerships give pretty much the same rights as marriage, but they couldn't use the term marriage because of it's religious connotations and objections from church groups.

We had this brought up in some diversity training at work, where it was more or less indicated that you could have your own opinions about things but shouldn't voice them. The instructor was an ex-policewoman unsurprisingly

[dutty yuppie]

The instructor was an ex-policewoman unsurprisingly

FUCKING DYKE.

[jackieboi]

yeah went to my aunts civil partnership last year shes a lezzer too, was alright, afterparty was a bit gay though, just back to their bit for champers and sandwiches

Nowhere near as good as my cousins wedding the previous year, that was a fucking riot! hundreds of people in a rented out golf club, open bar, steak dinner, shitey wedding dj - the lot!

Straights do it better.

[shonky]

The instructor was an ex-policewoman unsurprisingly

FUCKING DYKE.

Wasn't the point I was trying to make tbh

She'd apparently done a similar thing on racism with the bizzies and the same message "you can hold these views, just don't voice them" was used there. I found it without doubt the most useless concept ever, knowing that there's probably loads of coppers with these views, whilst supposedly "protecting the public".

[emcee child]

I think Civil Partnerships give pretty much the same rights as marriage, but they couldn't use the term marriage because of it's religious connotations and objections from church groups.

So.. couldn't this.. as per this new law.. be seen as discrimantory.

cos it's not the same thing.. and u dun have to get married in a church or even in a religious ceremony.. I didn't.

I swear down the UK becomes more Orwellian everyday.

Next will be the thought police. (which they trying to put in place in USA btw.. u dun have to be gulity.. they just have to think that u are thinking about being guilty. in re: terrorism*..)






* in which place u acn also read anyone who is disentious.

[echo wanderer]

I think the silencing of any unpopular opinion isn't helpful because there is then no way of debating it. It just gives legitimacy to the idea that it must be "truth" because "they" don't want you to talk about it, which is pretty common in many racist groups.

well said man.

I truly believe the old saying to be true here..
"I might not agree with what u say but I will die for your right to say it."

Freedom of speech plain and simple. Let each man decide what he believes.. even if it's wrong. By allowing it, it encourages debate and will expose hate as what it is.

Out of curiosity.. Is gay marrige leagal in Uk? if not it's a bit of a double standard..

Deep topic for the ninja forum.. gonna be watching this one close.. lets av some propper disscussion here folks..

Yes.Well put.

The only thing I'd have to disagree with is the term "wrong".Who's to actually say what one believes as wrong or bad?I believe that war is wrong,but Bush apparently doesn't.In his mind,he thinks he's doing the right thing.Going into the Middle East is very religiously charged.As a devout right-wing Christian,he is on a not-so-quiet Crusade to rid the world of those who would take freeedom away from the world,ie:Islam and it's followers.Sure,he will only mention the extremists,but I haven't really seen him trying to improve US government relations with American Islamic groups,unlike the British government who are making small strides in that arena.

Just because it's not your belief,doesn't mean it doesn't carry as much conviction.And the same goes for them.

[dutty yuppie]

So.. couldn't this.. as per this new law.. be seen as discrimantory.

cos it's not the same thing.. and u dun have to get married in a church or even in a religious ceremony.. I didn't.

English law came from Ecclesiastical law (the law of the Church) many centuries ago but (rarely used and out-dated) blasphemy laws are still around.


(Edit: Shonky I just felt like shouting FUCKING DYKE)

[echo wanderer]

I swear down the UK becomes more Orwellian everyday.

Shit man...the UK has had on-the-street CCTV since the mid-70's!

[shonky]

which they trying to put in place in USA btw.. u dun have to be gulity.. they just have to think that u are thinking about being guilty. in re: terrorism*..

* in which place u acn also read anyone who is disentious.

They've already used a lot of anti-terror laws to stop people demonstrating outside arms fairs (pacifist = terrorist now apparently), and also been using some of this stuff on animal rights protestors (again, mostly peaceful). The banning of many protests under the CJA in (I think) the early 90's and police permission for protests in London and the arrest of anti-war protestors for reading out names of war dead are all indicators that we should keep an eye on our public "servants"