I see things like Maschine, MPD, outboard synths etc etc and want to know how much difference its made to the way you approach writing music.

SunkLo wrote: If ragging on the 'shortcut to the top' mentality makes me a hater then shower me in haterade.
Yeah...one of these has snuck onto my 'WANT' list recentlyfragments wrote:MicroBrute: Honestly, everyone should own one of these. I don't like it for bass, but it's great for leads and sound FX and even percussion. If you want to get into layering and resampling (which I am guessing most around here would) you can pretty much do anything with it. I love just turning it on and noodling away for both melodies and patches. Its so immediate! I do think it needs a nice chorus, delay or reverb for it to sit right because it has that dry, dusty analog sound. It's internal sequencer is pretty inspirational as well. It also uses 1/8th inch modular I/O so the potential to integrate it in various ways with other gear is present.
Do it and don't look back!wub wrote:Yeah...one of these has snuck onto my 'WANT' list recentlyfragments wrote:MicroBrute: Honestly, everyone should own one of these. I don't like it for bass, but it's great for leads and sound FX and even percussion. If you want to get into layering and resampling (which I am guessing most around here would) you can pretty much do anything with it. I love just turning it on and noodling away for both melodies and patches. Its so immediate! I do think it needs a nice chorus, delay or reverb for it to sit right because it has that dry, dusty analog sound. It's internal sequencer is pretty inspirational as well. It also uses 1/8th inch modular I/O so the potential to integrate it in various ways with other gear is present.
SunkLo wrote: If ragging on the 'shortcut to the top' mentality makes me a hater then shower me in haterade.
wub wrote:Yeah...one of these has snuck onto my 'WANT' list recently
Repost please?wub wrote:It was the video with the crazy Japanese man that did it.
SunkLo wrote: If ragging on the 'shortcut to the top' mentality makes me a hater then shower me in haterade.
fragments wrote:Repost please?wub wrote:It was the video with the crazy Japanese man that did it.
Re MicroBrute...at 299 usd new there are no excuses...many people will spend that on soft synths in a year.
SunkLo wrote: If ragging on the 'shortcut to the top' mentality makes me a hater then shower me in haterade.
Could you, in detail, explain what makes this better/more useful than a midi keyboard and a synth plugin? Not critical, just interested, because clearly stuff like this is something that many want... hm?fragments wrote:
MicroBrute: Honestly, everyone should own one of these. I don't like it for bass, but it's great for leads and sound FX and even percussion. If you want to get into layering and resampling (which I am guessing most around here would) you can pretty much do anything with it. I love just turning it on and noodling away for both melodies and patches. Its so immediate! I do think it needs a nice chorus, delay or reverb for it to sit right because it has that dry, dusty analog sound. It's internal sequencer is pretty inspirational as well. It also uses 1/8th inch modular I/O so the potential to integrate it in various ways with other gear is present.
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Personally I find MIDI controllers fiddly and have always ended up having to fine tune my knob adjustments with a mouse or entering values with a keyboard. Also, I have to turn on my computer, load my DAW, blah blah blah. I can flip on the Brute, plug in my headphones or plug it into the mixer and get to work. It is that immediate tactile experience. You can rely on the MicroBrute as an instrument. There are some many things involved in a MIDI controller and VST working correctly. Also, I love the sound--but let me say immediately that I think most high quality VST instruments all have a unique sound based on their features, as do all digital and analog synthesizers. MIDI controller + VST doesn't feel like a instrument to me. It feels like a too-complex amalgamation of separate tools that kinda sorta work together. I find the entire DAW environment uninspiring and more geared toward mixing and fine tuning arrangements. While I can flip some switches with my hardware setup and more or less start jamming away w/o worrying about a computer at all. Also in this vein...how many MIDI controllers and how much processing power would one need to have a control for all parameters just a hand-gesture away? I can immediately access 95% of my controls, parameters etc with hardware. Most MIDI controllers don't give you that...(Maschine and Push come close).bouncingfish wrote:Could you, in detail, explain what makes this better/more useful than a midi keyboard and a synth plugin? Not critical, just interested, because clearly stuff like this is something that many want... hm?fragments wrote:
MicroBrute: Honestly, everyone should own one of these. I don't like it for bass, but it's great for leads and sound FX and even percussion. If you want to get into layering and resampling (which I am guessing most around here would) you can pretty much do anything with it. I love just turning it on and noodling away for both melodies and patches. Its so immediate! I do think it needs a nice chorus, delay or reverb for it to sit right because it has that dry, dusty analog sound. It's internal sequencer is pretty inspirational as well. It also uses 1/8th inch modular I/O so the potential to integrate it in various ways with other gear is present.
SunkLo wrote: If ragging on the 'shortcut to the top' mentality makes me a hater then shower me in haterade.
That sounds great, now that you say it that way dude. This would have convinced me - but what puts me off is that it's recorded as audio. If this was a hardware synth that controlled a plugin and the stuff you played would be recorded as midi it would be sick, but now it's all audio and thats not always what you want, at least I like to keep my stuff midi. How do you deal with that? (quantizing etc)?fragments wrote:Personally I find MIDI controllers fiddly and have always ended up having to fine tune my knob adjustments with a mouse or entering values with a keyboard. Also, I have to turn on my computer, load my DAW, blah blah blah. I can flip on the Brute, plug in my headphones or plug it into the mixer and get to work. It is that immediate tactile experience. You can rely on the MicroBrute as an instrument. There are some many things involved in a MIDI controller and VST working correctly. Also, I love the sound--but let me say immediately that I think most high quality VST instruments all have a unique sound based on their features, as do all digital and analog synthesizers. MIDI controller + VST doesn't feel like a instrument to me. It feels like a too-complex amalgamation of separate tools that kinda sorta work together. I find the entire DAW environment uninspiring and more geared toward mixing and fine tuning arrangements. While I can flip some switches with my hardware setup and more or less start jamming away w/o worrying about a computer at all. Also in this vein...how many MIDI controllers and how much processing power would one need to have a control for all parameters just a hand-gesture away? I can immediately access 95% of my controls, parameters etc with hardware. Most MIDI controllers don't give you that...(Maschine and Push come close).bouncingfish wrote:Could you, in detail, explain what makes this better/more useful than a midi keyboard and a synth plugin? Not critical, just interested, because clearly stuff like this is something that many want... hm?fragments wrote:
MicroBrute: Honestly, everyone should own one of these. I don't like it for bass, but it's great for leads and sound FX and even percussion. If you want to get into layering and resampling (which I am guessing most around here would) you can pretty much do anything with it. I love just turning it on and noodling away for both melodies and patches. Its so immediate! I do think it needs a nice chorus, delay or reverb for it to sit right because it has that dry, dusty analog sound. It's internal sequencer is pretty inspirational as well. It also uses 1/8th inch modular I/O so the potential to integrate it in various ways with other gear is present.
I'm also very interested in doing live dubs, live PA, live takes etc...whatever the heck ya want to call it. I prefer recording 4 tracks live off my interface until I hit the sweet spot with everything, then mixing it later.
So I guess the benefits I see in it might diminish if one was working mostly in the box. But I would still argue you could sit with the Brute in your recliner wrecking noises with yer headphones on and that is something you really can't quite do with software.
I mean...for 300 bucks you could buy a nice VST and decent controller...or you could try a cool hardware synth : ) I guess that is the heart of what I am getting at. Give it a shot, see where it takes you. Fuck, you can probably sell it for 260ish used easily. So, you got to rent and try an awesome analog mono for 40 dollars ;p
Edit: just to be clear, I'm only saying I hardware is better for me. DAWs feel like programming a database to me. My hardware setup feels like playing this customizable modular instrument.
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SunkLo wrote: If ragging on the 'shortcut to the top' mentality makes me a hater then shower me in haterade.
Haha now I get it! Okay that sounds pretty good dude. I think I'm gonna stick to midi for now but if I ever get hold of a few hundred bucks I'll consider this (after some room treatment and a new bass and paying my 400 $ debts...fragments wrote:Its not really even an issue for me dude. I dont need to quantize anything. I sequnce and record with Maschine...guess i should have said that. But I noodle everything out live first or use the sequencer on the Micro. Im not really a proper keys playerwhen I talk about it being an instrument...its more about live knob twisting...which always sounds more organic to ky ear than automation.
Probabaly just destroyed your illusion of how I use it lol. Ill have to post some jams.
some guy from facebook wrote: -instead being would have said stop acting judgemental of others then yet on you mind is not yet acting judgemental
If you play bass getting a new bass sorted would seem pretty importantbouncingfish wrote:Haha now I get it! Okay that sounds pretty good dude. I think I'm gonna stick to midi for now but if I ever get hold of a few hundred bucks I'll consider this (after some room treatment and a new bass and paying my 400 $ debts...fragments wrote:Its not really even an issue for me dude. I dont need to quantize anything. I sequnce and record with Maschine...guess i should have said that. But I noodle everything out live first or use the sequencer on the Micro. Im not really a proper keys playerwhen I talk about it being an instrument...its more about live knob twisting...which always sounds more organic to ky ear than automation.
Probabaly just destroyed your illusion of how I use it lol. Ill have to post some jams.)
SunkLo wrote: If ragging on the 'shortcut to the top' mentality makes me a hater then shower me in haterade.
Mainly cause it has bad electronics, constantly breaks, makes electric noise, and is way too heavy for me.fragments wrote:If you play bass getting a new bass sorted would seem pretty importantbouncingfish wrote:Haha now I get it! Okay that sounds pretty good dude. I think I'm gonna stick to midi for now but if I ever get hold of a few hundred bucks I'll consider this (after some room treatment and a new bass and paying my 400 $ debts...fragments wrote:Its not really even an issue for me dude. I dont need to quantize anything. I sequnce and record with Maschine...guess i should have said that. But I noodle everything out live first or use the sequencer on the Micro. Im not really a proper keys playerwhen I talk about it being an instrument...its more about live knob twisting...which always sounds more organic to ky ear than automation.
Probabaly just destroyed your illusion of how I use it lol. Ill have to post some jams.)
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