Secret Ninja Movie Club (aka what have you watched lately)

[jrkhnds]

is Prozac Nation worth a watch? got some time to kill.

[ezza]

how can u care about torrenting films lol

[DiegoSapiens]

Because pirating has destroyed the film industry in the last 10 years and i love cinema too much to steal it.
Doing a film is very very expensive, cost millions of euros and a LOT of efort and illusion from lot of people to come with a prject like this .
also the creator and productor have taken a big comercial risk to do a experimental film like enter the void with a diferent aesthetic and music to the one used normally in films that could have made the broke like many other good films do to their creators , i want to pay them money for their right of intelectual creation.
Also i hate watching films pixelated, in a computer screen and with headphones.

[kidshuffle]

Pirating movies has been around forever. While I'll agree that it has had an impact on the film industry, i think the oversaturation of the market, and the price of even going to the theater ruined the industry and made more people turn to pirating.

[ezza]

Because pirating has destroyed the film industry in the last 10 years and i love cinema too much to steal it.
Doing a film is very very expensive, cost millions of euros and a LOT of efort and illusion from lot of people to come with a prject like this .
also the creator and productor have taken a big comercial risk to do a experimental film like enter the void with a diferent aesthetic and music to the one used normally in films that could have made the broke like many other good films do to their creators , i want to pay them money for their right of intelectual creation.
Also i hate watching films pixelated, in a computer screen and with headphones.

man up

[leyenda]

Because pirating has destroyed the film industry in the last 10 years and i love cinema too much to steal it.
Doing a film is very very expensive, cost millions of euros and a LOT of efort and illusion from lot of people to come with a prject like this .
also the creator and productor have taken a big comercial risk to do a experimental film like enter the void with a diferent aesthetic and music to the one used normally in films that could have made the broke like many other good films do to their creators , i want to pay them money for their right of intelectual creation.
Also i hate watching films pixelated, in a computer screen and with headphones.

Curious what you do for obscure stuff that doesn't have a wide release?

[DiegoSapiens]

Pirating movies has been around forever. While I'll agree that it has had an impact on the film industry, i think the oversaturation of the market, and the price of even going to the theater ruined the industry and made more people turn to pirating.

No it have never been around in the crazy levels of downloads that is atm and the impact to the cinema is crucial affecting the films of middle/low budget. I know about this subject very well because both of my parents work in cinema and my grandfather had a couple of cinemas. My father is a producer, he and his work mates haven't won any money since the 90s until the point that they are all broke now, and like in every company when something is not working they do a deep study to find what is going wrong. the results were clear, the sink of the cinema has been proportional to the increase of pirating server and the accessibility to the normal people. Blockbusters, hollywood shit and populist comedies win more money now than ever but normal films have now infinite less opportunities of not loosing money. Before the pirating phenomena people went more to the cinema so they were a lot more, in the case of Madrid for example they have closed 150 (!!!!) cinemas in the last ten years. In the 90s a film of really low budget could stay with no problem one month in some cinema, the publicity for small films depends completely in people recommending it, and that needs time to spread the word, now the only films that have opportunity of wining money have to spend minimum 3 or 4 millions of euros just in publicity, and win the 90% of the recordation in the first 2 weeks. Small films don't stay more than one week in the cinema now so their hope of getting view is 0. The over saturation that you mention is just real in the case of big money productions, hollywood haven't produced as much shit at is does now, but if you see the numbers of films made in the past of smaller budget the difference with now is just ridiculous, like most of the normal films get watched four more times in the internet than in the cinema how is possible that this doesn't affect it.

The second thing that you mention, about the reason of the sink of cinemas because of it price is a fallacy that has widespread in the past years, The price of a cinema ticket is the half of what it should be to be profitableThis is a fact and cinemas owners have confirmed it to me, they tell me that they win money because of the popcorn that the biggest bucket cost them like 20 cents and they sell it at 5 euros, but 6 -10 euros for watching a film apparently is a fortune when the cost of doing a film is crazy compared to others arts, for example is a thousand times more expensive pressing vinyl and people in here don't seem to have a problem in spending 20 euros in an LP) A massive space in a city with a good screen and good sound isn´t cheap too, cinema is now cheaper than ever, and money has never been a problem in the past for people going to the cinema, the same that isn't a problem for people spending 8 or 10 euros in having a drink of cheap alcohol in a pub, but no one seems to complain or have a problem with this.
They are lot of ways of watching films cheaper too, there use to be lot of renting film houses that have disappeared now or they are planty of webs in which you can download films in good quality for 1 or 2 euros, (i personally use filming.es).
But the reality is that people simply don't want to pay for culture and this is not just damaging the artist that make films but is affecting the general quality of it, and the proof is watching the films that come out now and the films that use to came out 15 years ago.

[DiegoSapiens]

Because pirating has destroyed the film industry in the last 10 years and i love cinema too much to steal it.
Doing a film is very very expensive, cost millions of euros and a LOT of efort and illusion from lot of people to come with a prject like this .
also the creator and productor have taken a big comercial risk to do a experimental film like enter the void with a diferent aesthetic and music to the one used normally in films that could have made the broke like many other good films do to their creators , i want to pay them money for their right of intelectual creation.
Also i hate watching films pixelated, in a computer screen and with headphones.

Curious what you do for obscure stuff that doesn't have a wide release?

i´m afraid that lot of them pass beneath radar to me, i watch lot of obscure films that i find in webs but its true that sure that in torrents they are a lot more, if there isn't a way of buying it i personally don't have problem in people downloading it, in fact it helps this films to get publicity and more viewed, but this is not the case of enter the void or 99.9% of the films that get downloaded

[leyenda]

Fair enough on that. Cinema price generally isn't that bad if it's an independent cinema or small chain not odeon/vue/empire etc anyway and you don't have extra gimmicks like 3d thrown in.

[DiegoSapiens]

amen

[jrkhnds]

Sometimes I wonder if it's down to people downloading indie movies or if it's down to people just gratefully eating the shit they get served. As long as Transformers 17 and Spiderman 113 put up decent figures there's no reason for major production houses and cinemas to change anything.

[ezza]

i personally hate both those films ^^ lol but u guys make it out like hollywood and the films they make are actually shit

when tbf if you clear 100 million on your opening weekend (or w/e crazy figure it is) your film probably isnt shit

[OGLemon]

Fair enough on that. Cinema price generally isn't that bad if it's an independent cinema or small chain not odeon/vue/empire etc anyway and you don't have extra gimmicks like 3d thrown in.

yeah I can usually watch new European art house type films for $2 of free in some cases at my local.

[DiegoSapiens]

i personally hate both those films ^^ lol but u guys make it out like hollywood and the films they make are actually shit

when tbf if you clear 100 million on your opening weekend (or w/e crazy figure it is) your film probably isnt shit

Yeah if martin garrix play for one million people in tomorrowland he probably isnt shit

[ezza]

exactly m8

[hubb]

IMO

It's on the other hand our responsibility to pirate anything comming out of hollywood because they are sold under the guise of being a film, but is really just a commercial that we pay way too much to see.

u guys make it out like hollywood and the films they make are actually shit

when tbf if you clear 100 million on your opening weekend (or w/e crazy figure it is) your film probably isnt shit

It's not a film m8 - it's a franchise with a lot of money spent outside of the production that could have made it an actual film.They film a bit on a greenscreen to cut costs but ...wooops ruined acting tradition and spent the money on producing little figurines instead

Ofcourse it is shit, I dont' know which capitalist mong convinced you otherwise, it's not like people in the world aren't sold shit constantly.
Like bits of horsemeat appearing in the mince beef - this is the same.
Horse meat = product placement

It's all about presenting something that a specific group will have to go see, because of their relation with part of the brand in another form. Like comic books or girls lit. Or DiCaprio. Coercing a group of those spastics to come in in groups, is hardly a basis for saying something is of good quality. Bread trimmings +Trough.

[hubb]

Not that it is directly related but some arthouse, or lesser known classics only 'exists' or are available because of piracy or geeky archiving. Like how parts of the criterion collection are restored cuts that some guy kept in storage etc. So the question about proper ownership is a bit more nuanced or complex if we take in all of film history.

[Liam92]

Really looking forward to this!

[NickUndercover]

i personally hate both those films ^^ lol but u guys make it out like hollywood and the films they make are actually shit

when tbf if you clear 100 million on your opening weekend (or w/e crazy figure it is) your film probably isnt shit

Hollywood blockbusters spend more than double the production budget on marketing alone. Spiderman & Transformers are the Hollywood equivalent of Merril Lynch & Goldman Sachs - Too big too fail.

Also you have to take into account the very special kind of accounting studios do

I still pay for my movies though, cinemas are always a better experience than whatever set up you can have at home. You're not only supporting the producers and the crew, you're also supporting your local cinema and allowing them to keep playing good movies. My local cinema accepted to play Winter Sleep when some cinephiles sent a letter asking them to

[deadly_habit]

Blood In, Blood Out. takes such a long time to watch but so good. Like 20th time watching it.