Fighting Dubstep Pirates

[nomorecomastep]

The more money people make, the more likely they are to do it right?

but once making music becomes your main income, doesn't it become more of a chore than a passion?

That really isn't the point though, is it?

Monsta, who posts here, sells his art on Ebay from time to time... what we're talking about here is someone taking copies of his artwork and making PRINTS of that artwork and then handing them out outside of his studio that he sells his art from...

likewise, when someone makes a copy of music and then hands it out, sure nothing physical was taken--but one could argue that their product has lost value because of this theft of intellectual property. Who would buy it if they could get it for free?

Labels are less likely to take the financial risks of releasing music if the risks become an absolute certainty. I admittedly download tunes all the time. Sometimes I buy them and sometimes I don't. I am more likely to buy them if I can't get them for free. I am more likely to buy tunes I've already heard and have downloaded them and like them a lot...

so it's not exactly a science here, but one could argue that something was lost.

[fullyrecordingz]

in regards 2 some1 selling ya promo or dub u gave em, dats takin the piss. but artist like wiley who released their CD on the NET b4 it was released, have sold more than if they hadnt gave it away 1st.
in grime, dubstep and dat, its probly benificial to actually Have ur stuff on the net, still'

[eleventigers]

i know of at least 2 products in development which could spell the end of downloading music via p2p as we know it.

Then p2p music downloading will just change to some other program / protocol. Again.
Anti-piracy measures / DRM and the like will never succeed, they will just piss people off, often people who have paid for a product and find themselves unable to use it as they would expect.
Of course P2P is entirely irrelevant to this topic. This is just greedy and rude, which to be honest are slightly larger problems than music piracy.

the change is made and it is completely revolutionary:

http://offsystem.sourceforge.net/wordpress/?page_id=13
http://www.thebighack.org/

[nomorecomastep]

double post. damn, whats up

[nomorecomastep]

surely there's a difference between financial prospects and musical prospects?

i know this is the usual attitude of someone with no musical talent and/or prospects, but why is it so important to make money from your music?

Surely money is a catalyst into production right?

The more money people make, the more likely they are to do it right?

Convert this principle to ANY other industry and everyone will call you a capitalist and blacklist you on this forum. Be careful... you can't go advocating that people do what is in their own best interests


And@ Fullyrecordingz: you may be right, but the artist and the label are the ones who should make the decisions as to how to best promote their product, which in the end--that's what it is, a product.

If you download material that you weren't given by the label/artist/someone authorized to give it, and then you go and play that recording--you are a race car driver committing grand theft auto... or in this case, audio.

[thinking]

Nice thread,
check out http://www.mediadefender-defenders.com they managed to leak 9months worth of internal email of an antip2p organisation.

It's a huge blow to the antip2p movement. The source code to their trackers and sneaky programs were released along with IP addresses and fake emule server addresses.

there's another company working on stuff similar to Media Defender, but they're keeping it all under wraps - that leak was a huge bonus for their product.

[biomat]

and here we go again
..i was lazy to read all pages but ..to the topic
whats the point???? i spend lot of money on vinyls and im allways buying what i heard before, in set or mp3, which is taged , iheard whole tune and i dont need ID... also when u put out some bullshit taged ie coki, im sure lot of peeps when they believe its true release, will dont buy it because it sounds wack,
also i dont know what release is good from the dubstepforum topics because all rlses are big, heavy, sick etc etc

[stryfe]

producers and DJ's get paid by playing gigs... bands get paid by playing gigs... that is where the money is.

You think your couple hundred pounds that you made off selling your tunes to the label is the real money? You have to go out and play gigs and sell merchandise. I don't know of a single musician who makes their living in the studio--if you want to make the money, you have got to garner bookings.

Tru. even the biggest bands in the world (eg U2) only get about 5% of all record sales, the money has to be made through touring, thats why so many of groups especially more underground genres (eg metal) have to tour relentlessly, to make money for themselves and please the record company with more cd sales.

Anyway, I support p2p for dicovering new music but i still spend $$ on cd's and records, especially considering i would never mix with cd's, even proper bought copies, Mixing with records is da bizness.

[shonky]

Surely money is a catalyst into production right?

The more money people make, the more likely they are to do it right?

I think there's good reason to disagree with that with music, which is why most first albums have the best tunes on them, and then once they start selling millions they go shite.

See 95% of all bands ever for details

[John Locke]

Surely money is a catalyst into production right?

The more money people make, the more likely they are to do it right?

I think there's good reason to disagree with that with music, which is why most first albums have the best tunes on them, and then once they start selling millions they go shite.

See 95% of all bands ever for details

maybe more like 85 percent. but yeah, too true.

tho i dont think that's always cos of money. other stuff comes into it; like the pressure to repeat the magic (read; 2nd LP exactly the same as the first) or to move forward (read: go "intelligent" and lose the rawness everyone felt on the 1st one).

and not everyone makes it big wit the 1st LP anyway, sometimes takes a few, even if the 1st WAS the best.

so u not gonna buy the new burial lp then?

[pacomari]

I hate to say it, but anti-piracy measures will never, I mean never, succeed. 0day servers/shells, Private Bit Torrent trackers, FTP's etc will never ever be stopped. Hell, Newsgroups have been around since before the WWW as we know it and will still be around when Web 2.0 drowns the internet in a sea of flash and bullshit.

Fuck distributers, fuck the majors and fuck the music industry.

It's up to the artists and independent labels to diversify and find tailored, individual solutions. For all I think they are heavy crap... Radiohead just struck one blow. Sure the bulk of people paid £0 but the percentage that did pay sent the money direct to the band without any middle man taking a cut. It's not perfect, basically they paid for a poorly encoded and terribly mastered pre-release but it means the band get their bills paid the second the record was done. A lot of the bigger indies now use 64kbp/s web streams for promotional material that are timed and limited access, it's not pretty and is not the ideal review tool but it's a simple way to stop copies getting out there.

--edit

as for DRM etc... You incorporate that or something of it's ilk into a bought and paid for promo then you are going to see a hell of a fucking bac lash.

--edit 2

producers and DJ's get paid by playing gigs... bands get paid by playing gigs... that is where the money is.

Not anymore. The music industry is in crisis, established promoters (not just dubstep world here) are having a bad year all round because too many people are touring all the time to try and get a pay day... Ticket prices are sky rocketing, turn outs are plummeting and after the cluster fuck, the only people left standing will be those with heart, dedication and a true passion in the music and not the money. I for one, can't fucking wait.

[Littlefoot]

Surely money is a catalyst into production right?

The more money people make, the more likely they are to do it right?

I think there's good reason to disagree with that with music, which is why most first albums have the best tunes on them, and then once they start selling millions they go shite.

See 95% of all bands ever for details

far too true.

[dynamixuk]

simple, if your a pirate of a musical form as pure as this..well...



fuckin die you shit tnuc




yes

i mean YOU fuckin rnb scene jumping mp3 night playing motherfuckers

[nomorecomastep]

I hate to say it, but anti-piracy measures will never, I mean never, succeed. 0day servers/shells, Private Bit Torrent trackers, FTP's etc will never ever be stopped. Hell, Newsgroups have been around since before the WWW as we know it and will still be around when Web 2.0 drowns the internet in a sea of flash and bullshit.

producers and DJ's get paid by playing gigs... bands get paid by playing gigs... that is where the money is.

Not anymore. The music industry is in crisis, established promoters (not just dubstep world here) are having a bad year all round because too many people are touring all the time to try and get a pay day... Ticket prices are sky rocketing, turn outs are plummeting and after the cluster fuck, the only people left standing will be those with heart, dedication and a true passion in the music and not the money. I for one, can't fucking wait.

Well, I haven't heard of any larger named coming to the States to play for free. I've heard of them staying with the promotor and partying and having a good time, but that's every genre. I find more often than not, Dubstep artists will spend time after the show as well, chillin.

Dub War NYC is bigger and better every time, no matter who is playing. I obviously can think of a few few local DJ's who I'd like to see playing there more, or at all, in my case

[tempest]

Not anymore. The music industry is in crisis, established promoters (not just dubstep world here) are having a bad year all round because too many people are touring all the time to try and get a pay day... Ticket prices are sky rocketing, turn outs are plummeting and after the cluster fuck, the only people left standing will be those with heart, dedication and a true passion in the music and not the money. I for one, can't fucking wait.

This sounds so nice does it mean no more good charlotte??? cuz i gotta cop this commercial radio bullshit all day at work and its killin me

[nomorecomastep]

Surely money is a catalyst into production right?

The more money people make, the more likely they are to do it right?

I think there's good reason to disagree with that with music, which is why most first albums have the best tunes on them, and then once they start selling millions they go shite.

See 95% of all bands ever for details

I think if you like the Beatles, you'd probably enjoy some of the later works a bit more, after they had the pull to do whatever they wanted in the studio, it went less pop and became a bit more revolutionary.

Some people get better as freedom comes into play. NOW a lot of NON EDM artists are doing P&D deals, because home studios are so cheap and available now.