New UK Law *up to 7 years for gay joke/lyrics*

[thesynthesist]

I just can't understand why or how battymen can get all in a huff about someone's spirtual beliefs

Not liking gays isn't a spiritual belief.

it can be, if you follow the bible or "a" bible in which sexual intercourse is a strictly functional thing to breed.
how could a homosexual or a lesbian ever add to the world if they don't breed?

this is why all extreme religious people hate homosexuals

Exactly. Fucking whack jobs. Only a devout fanatic could lead themself down a path of thinking like that.

The only thing that people can contribute to the world is babies? WTF.

This is why us norms hate extremely religious people.

[dutty yuppie]

Starting with the right to bear arms(I'm looking at the UK kru here... I can't believe you stand for this), then the right to assemble... then the right to speak... then the right to live.

Am I misreading this or are you Charlton Heston? Why on earth would we want the right to bear arms when every other week we see some messed up kid taking a gun into a US school and shooting people at will.

We have enough problems and nutters (plus illegal guns) in this country as it is, cheers.

[stanton]

bun gays.. no offence any gay people.. im just not down with it...

difference between 'being gay isn't for me' and 'chichi man fi dead'. the second is fucking pointless. if you don't want violence, then don't chat breeze. simple.

It's pretty hard to see how you can't be offending gay people when you're saying 'bun gays' isn't it Grand? What Fooisbar says makes a bit more sense doesn't it?


Aside from that oxymoron, bigotry is still bigotry whether it hides behind a veil of spiritual belief or marches through your town and kicks down your door as in both cases it uses ideology as an excuse. I personally don't agree with this proposed law on grounds of freedom of expression and speech, however I do feel that it is important to inform people that hatred of minority groups is unacceptable no matter what your criteria for grouping is.

I find it hard to take anyone seriously who expresses seriously bigoted views, if one can lead such an unexamined existence how can anything they say be trustworthy? Also, it makes them sound like total twats.

[d_three]

this thread is so gay

[dutty yuppie]

Also, it makes them sound like total twats.

...and repressed homosexuals.

[stanton]

...and repressed homosexuals.

Yeah, there have been some interesting tests done that seem to suggest that this may be the case.

http://web.archive.org/web/200402020351 ... ophob.html

"the measurements showed that while 66% of the non-homophobic group showed no significant tumescence while watching the male homosexual video, only 20% of the homophobic men showed little or no evidence of arousal. Similarly, while 24% of the non-homophobic men showed definite tumescence while watching the homosexual video, 54% of the homophobic men did."

Ooooooh missus....

[classagraphics]

hatred of minority groups is unacceptable no matter what your criteria for grouping is

quite true

cause if we were grouping gay people based on how people look, this guy would be right up there:

[pablex]

bun gays.. no offence any gay people.. im just not down with it... just like vegetarians arnt down with eating meat..

you do know "bu gays" means "kill them all" though?
how could someone not take offence to anyone saying "kill them"?

[slothrop]

it can be, if you follow the bible or "a" bible in which sexual intercourse is a strictly functional thing to breed.
how could a homosexual or a lesbian ever add to the world if they don't breed?

this is why all extreme religious people hate homosexuals

If you follow the Old Testament of the bible, and believe it to be the infallible word of God, you have no choice but to say homosexuals are evil and going to hell. It clearly says so in Leviticus.

This is also why so many dancehall artists are strongly opposed to premarital sex. Oh wait, hand on...

[thomas]

I find it hard to take anyone seriously who expresses seriously bigoted views, if one can lead such an unexamined existence how can anything they say be trustworthy? Also, it makes them sound like total twats.

Word, i agree with all of your post, but this thing about taking people seriously is very true.

If you can't put your opinion across without saying something stupid like " Bun gays, im just not down with them" then you get nothing from me.

There’s people out there who use the same type of justification for disliking almost every group of people on the earth, and its all actually as silly as it comes across.

This is also why so many dancehall artists are strongly opposed to premarital sex. Oh wait, hand on...

BOYED

It seems homophobia is the only bigoted view, tolerated by most of society.

[harlesden]

This is also why so many dancehall artists are strongly opposed to premarital sex. Oh wait, hand on...

BOYED

It seems homophobia is the only bigoted view, tolerated by most of society.

how many of these people who claim to hate gays because the bible says it is wrong conveniently forget the other bible teachings?

[shonky]

how many of these people who claim to hate gays because the bible says it is wrong conveniently forget the other bible teachings?

Quite a lot it seems. Amount of pro-war christians does make me think someone isn't reading their own guide book (or maybe selectively reading it)

[chunkie]

how many of these people who claim to hate gays because the bible says it is wrong conveniently forget the other bible teachings?

Quite a lot it seems. Amount of pro-war christians does make me think someone isn't reading their own guide book (or maybe selectively reading it)

selective reading undoubtedly!

amazing how these folk manage to support almost any action with an isolated reference to their respective holy book

gays are wrong but you should 'love thy neighbour'
..... so still love him even though hes gay is my reading
but somehow people interpret it as love him except if hes gay

[superflyhighrise]

The censorship, or the co-operation of artists to unite against hate lyrics, in music is one that appears to be continually distorted by other aspects of an artists repertoir. such as their image and demeanor. For example, before sizzla and buju began singing batty bang bang etc a similar arguement escalated in america concerning hip hop for it's offensive lyrics. If one were to compare country and hip hop they are equally as violent and disturbing. Both contain images of violence, domestic and brawlsome, sexual etc, however, the majority of people who attacked these obscene lyrics did not remeber the lyrics of their country fotrefathers, of which there was no real difference, so in some ways they were protecting part of their own culture and attacking another not just because of the lyrics but also because of the delivery, and also the media vehicles which delivered pictures of african americans, which at the time they were scarred of,
you get my point, allow it or be absolute in your judgment and non prejudicial

[stanton]

The censorship, or the co-operation of artists to unite against hate lyrics, in music is one that appears to be continually distorted by other aspects of an artists repertoir. such as their image and demeanor. For example, before sizzla and buju began singing batty bang bang etc a similar arguement escalated in america concerning hip hop for it's offensive lyrics. If one were to compare country and hip hop they are equally as violent and disturbing. Both contain images of violence, domestic and brawlsome, sexual etc, however, the majority of people who attacked these obscene lyrics did not remeber the lyrics of their country fotrefathers, of which there was no real difference, so in some ways they were protecting part of their own culture and attacking another not just because of the lyrics but also because of the delivery, and also the media vehicles which delivered pictures of african americans, which at the time they were scarred of,
you get my point, allow it or be absolute in your judgment and non prejudicial

I see your point (to a degree) concerning hip-hop and counrty music. However I don't think it's particularly relevant with regard to this discussion, I don't remember Will Young singing 'Boom Boom Rastaman* Bye Bye' or indeed espousing any hatred/bigotry. (* insert minority group of choice)

[superflyhighrise]

maybe you didn't quite understand the relevance i was drawing between country music hip hop. The idea was that prejudice was the prevailing instinct when it came to criticising hip hop music, when they failed to notice the violent nature of their own music and culture. I tried to find a site which cited some examples but this is the best i can find for now; http://creativefolk.com/abusesongs.html
It's just a comment on how familiarity can distort ones prejudices and expose them as a manicured reaction to something distant. For example, homosexuality is still illegal in Jamaica, therfore if it is a crime do they have the right to cuss against it in songs, and is it intolerant for us to criticise a world view which is wide spread in their culture, (more than not). It comes down to context, and although i don't like graphic images which massacre someones intentions in love and attraction, i can understand why someone would say it. But to incite violence against a group of people, which is akin to what others groups have done to jamaicans say, is hypocritical but also reflective of an international process of communication between cultures after colonialisation. Like everything in the world its all about education, take one of our educational forefathers, shakespeare, all that was was fucking and fighting

[thesynthesist]

hatred of minority groups is unacceptable no matter what your criteria for grouping is

quite true

cause if we were grouping gay people based on how people look, this guy would be right up there:

AMEN BROTHER!

[stanton]

maybe you didn't quite understand the relevance i was drawing between country music hip hop. The idea was that prejudice was the prevailing instinct when it came to criticising hip hop music, when they failed to notice the violent nature of their own music and culture. I tried to find a site which cited some examples but this is the best i can find for now; http://creativefolk.com/abusesongs.html
It's just a comment on how familiarity can distort ones prejudices and expose them as a manicured reaction to something distant. For example, homosexuality is still illegal in Jamaica, therfore if it is a crime do they have the right to cuss against it in songs, and is it intolerant for us to criticise a world view which is wide spread in their culture, (more than not). It comes down to context, and although i don't like graphic images which massacre someones intentions in love and attraction, i can understand why someone would say it. But to incite violence against a group of people, which is akin to what others groups have done to jamaicans say, is hypocritical but also reflective of an international process of communication between cultures after colonialisation. Like everything in the world its all about education, take one of our educational forefathers, shakespeare, all that was was fucking and fighting

I see, I didn't quite get the point you were making at first. I agree with you, the argument is equally as valid when inverted which goes some way to proving the notion that its all about context. I do however find myself almost completely intolerant of homophobic lyrical content. Songs inciting homophobic violence are completely out of context in themselves when played in our largely tolerant society as much as Pansy Division songs may be in themselves out of context if they were played in a Jamaican dancehall. So, as much as I can understand why someone might sing such lyrics, and understand the reasons behind it, the cultural artefacts they produce that then cross or transcend cultural boundaries raise different issues. We could of course have a quick 101 on cultural theory and international relations every time a Sizzla track go played on radio one though, just so people understood the context but I think it might disrupt the mix somewhat.

Shakespere was all about Death and Becoming weren't he?

[superflyhighrise]

TRUE SAY BREDRIN, FUCKING AND FIGHTING, DEATH AND BECOMING, BLOSSOMING, FLOWERING, ALL OF DEM, sorry for caps, but i agree that anything attacking someone else for being someone else is out of order and unneccesary, if only there was a way of delivering a message that transcendended those cultural barriers that are often shied away from

[superflyhighrise]

catch bare joke at that photo too mush