Does the US/Cuba Embargo get discussed?

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Does the US/Cuba Embargo get discussed?

Post by magma » Mon Oct 20, 2014 10:22 am

This just occurred to me the other day and yes, I'm posting rather than Googling... given that the Cold War's been pretty much over for 25 years, they're entirely unlikely to be the first step in a Domino Effect and people seem happy to trade with China, what's the US' justification to continue to persecute Cuba economically?

Is it just spite at this point or are there relevant justifications in the modern world? Does this get debated in US society with any sort of regularity?

It almost seems like someone's just forgotten to repeal it.
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Re: Does the US/Cuba Embargo get discussed?

Post by wub » Mon Oct 20, 2014 10:38 am

Trade ban, yes should be lifted.

Travel ban, no.

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Post by hubb » Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:17 am

It's because they are too good at boxing and it's all ridiculous
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Post by hubb » Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:17 am

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Travel ban, no.

why?
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Re: Does the US/Cuba Embargo get discussed?

Post by topmo3 » Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:21 am

im sorry, i suck at world politics.. i know bout the trade embargo but who exactly is banned from traveling and where?
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Re: Does the US/Cuba Embargo get discussed?

Post by OGLemon » Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:26 am

Embargo needs to be lifted. I'm neutral on the continuation of the rule of the PCC.

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Post by magma » Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:29 am

topmo3 wrote:im sorry, i suck at world politics.. i know bout the trade embargo but who exactly is banned from traveling and where?
US Citizens unless they are "Cuban-American" aren't allowed to travel to Cuba.

Nobody is allowed to travel directly from the US to Cuba and no vessel that's been to Cuba in the last 60 (I think) days is allowed to land in the US.

Obama apparently relaxed the rules for Cuban-Americans and school parties recently, but apart from that, not a lot seems to have changed since 1960. Apparently Clinton actually tightened it up even more and Bush Jnr veto'd every attempt anyone made to relax things.

Apparently some Americans get around it by going somewhere else first; like US -> Mexico and then Mexico -> Cuba, but I expect they get the rubber glove treatment on their way back home. :lol:
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Post by hubb » Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:41 am

It's a pride issue imo
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Post by Forum » Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:44 am

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topmo3 wrote: Apparently some Americans get around it by going somewhere else first; like US -> Mexico and then Mexico -> Cuba, but I expect they get the rubber glove treatment on their way back home. :lol:
If they're going to those lengths to get into Cuba then it's probably for one reason to be honest
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Re: Does the US/Cuba Embargo get discussed?

Post by MasterA » Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:20 pm

I gather it's because any president who lifted the embargo could kiss goodbye to Florida's support at the next election.

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Re: Does the US/Cuba Embargo get discussed?

Post by DrGatineau » Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:23 pm

MasterA wrote:I gather it's because any president who lifted the embargo could kiss goodbye to Florida's support at the next election.
this is the reason why.

it does not get debated regularly in the media or congress. but if they do, it's a bullshit "omg communism is bad and we can't appease that".

the real reason why is because the local governments in florida will always be against it, the representatives to FL will always be against it, and these people in addition to special interest groups will lobby the government to keep cuba in isolation.

in addition to the rednecks in florida that would hate it, what might be surprising is that the largest voting block against lifting the embargo is actually cuban-americans. there is a significant amount of them in florida, and they hate the regime in cuba and seem to always vote against lifting it.

edit: especially older cubans (aka the ones who vote) - younger cuban-americans seem to be more open to it.
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Re: Does the US/Cuba Embargo get discussed?

Post by hubb » Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:28 pm

although that is true, it's highly unlikely that you would ask the pro cuba cubans in any of those studies

that group is as disenfranchised as the cubans in cuba

its basicly a consequence of mccarthyism and mccarthyism was dumb and wrong
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Re: Does the US/Cuba Embargo get discussed?

Post by ehbes » Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:54 pm

Once Castro dies a lot will change. Theres a lot of misinformation about Cuba, and all people want to believe is that Castro is the second coming of Satan.
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Post by magma » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:01 pm

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Post by hubb » Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:07 pm

ehbes wrote:Once Castro dies a lot will change. Theres a lot of misinformation about Cuba, and all people want to believe is that Castro is the second coming of Satan.
It's funny/interesting that, because he is generally considered the grandpa kind of sociable dictators that even several royal families have invited over from time to time( in a nothern european context) despite their connections and being on good terms with the US.

I feel like it's the limpest bit of dickwaving the us has done. . if that says anything or makes sence.
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Post by ehbes » Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:13 pm

free healthcare, free education, and equal pay are things that the US doesn't like their satellite states to have so thats why we can't like cuba
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