THE UGLY SIDE OF GRAFF*writers plz post.

ikarai · Post by **ikarai** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:28 pm

all art has it's time and place man. i'd rather look at some interesting shapes n colours than another blank wall of bricks or breezeblocks. it enlivens architecture which has no artistic merit of its own... taggin ain't the highest form of art but these people be they kids or not are making those depressed areas theirs by doing so. i just think it's pretty silly to jump in on this thread which is for appreciation of something with all this hating! Safe.

human? · Post by **human?** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:04 pm

Bob Crunkhouse wrote: hhahahahahah art prisons!! ahahhahaha "illegal graff" being the only modern art hahahahahahahaah, ure giving me a fucking heart attack, ahahahahaahahahaahaaAHAHAHAHA!

so, is ahahaha the heart attack, or your counter point? what i said still stands, "art" when put in a gallery or museum has its social force neutralized and becomes a commodity.

they tried to do it to graff and it never really worked.

illegal graff & street art is imho the only genuine modern art movement.

everything else is commodified & irrelevant.

lloydnoise wrote:lol @ art prison. u r a douche

i hope somebody hits up your crib with a fat juicy sloppy dripping marsh handstyle.

i think its actually great that yall dont like it. its inspired emotion, thus successfull.

if you know how to read the walls you can interpret ALOT about any given area. perhaps this is a skill native to NYC, but i doubt it highly... just from asek's flics he posted, i was able to figure out where he lives, who he rolls/writes with and alot of other things about him & where hes at...

behind every single tag, throwie etc you see, there is a real person, DEMANDING existence. its a truly revolutionary act.

fuck you, fuck property, fuck the government, fuck art, I EXIST.

and imho, its fucking beautiful, especially the "ugly side"

one
douche?

ikarai · Post by **ikarai** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:22 pm

For the sake of being even handed... don't agree with you human re galleries & museums etc. Are you gonna let the world's artistic heritage lay unappreciated, or worse, on the walls of the rich elite who can afford to collect? It's 'social force' may have been diminished, but not because you put it in a gallery, moreover because it's time and place has come and gone.

human? · Post by **human?** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:37 pm

Ikarai wrote:For the sake of being even handed... don't agree with you human re galleries & museums etc. Are you gonna let the world's artistic heritage lay unappreciated, or worse, on the walls of the rich elite who can afford to collect? It's 'social force' may have been diminished, but not because you put it in a gallery, moreover because it's time and place has come and gone.

that is what museums are tho, the walls of the rich elite who can afford to collect... can afford it so much in fact to the point they "donate"...

dont get me wrong, i love museums & galleries. but they nonetheless always reek of death.

what im saying is a counterpoint to those who put down tagging as "not art", because to me, it is actually the ESSENCE of art, alive....

im the type of person who doesnt really feel comfortable in a area that DOESNT have graff.... maybe its a NYC thing... but the writing on the walls serve as a consistant reminder that we are alive... and its a noble deed imho when at risk of being put in jail, people go out of there way to remind us all of that... whether we like it or not...

*edt* btw, im also using the word art in a very limited sense here. my feelings about "art" is def summed up by the quote "the artist is not some special sort of person, but every person is a special sort of artist" im not inclined whatsoever to put a definition on "art".... but as a "art movement" i dont see anything that even comes close to illegal graff & street art...

spiro · Post by **spiro** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:50 pm

human? wrote: what im saying is a counterpoint to those who put down tagging as "not art", because to me, it is actually the ESSENCE of art, alive....

art or not, I think you nailed it as the actually "ESSENCE of art, alive...."

bob crunkhouse · Post by **bob crunkhouse** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:20 am

lol, ure a fuckin ididot, not going into it now...will continue tommorow..

cure · Post by **cure** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:01 am

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3YSgaV_jSAw

All haters...if you dont understand...watch this.

two oh one · Post by **two oh one** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:14 am

LOL you should post this in "BOMB IT" thread

dutty yuppie · Post by **dutty yuppie** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:29 am

human? wrote: if you know how to read the walls you can interpret ALOT about any given area. perhaps this is a skill native to NYC, but i doubt it highly... just from asek's flics he posted, i was able to figure out where he lives, who he rolls/writes with and alot of other things about him & where hes at...

Get a grip lad, we're not talking about hieroglyphs at Nekhen.

sampletrash · Post by **sampletrash** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:10 am

asekwonder wrote:word, this thread got a lot more in depth than i had expected...wow.
heres some more flicks.
thnx to the others that posted their pictures also...bigup.

gotta love those 2 storey tall north american freight cars..... this time last year i was in TO for studies for a semester n i found a yard at the end of my street (bloor ossington locales) ..man i hit that so damn hard like i havent in years..im too old for doing much but that drew me right back in to hittin it up large...i miss it already

cure · Post by **cure** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:28 pm

two oh one wrote:LOL you should post this in "BOMB IT" thread

asekwonder · Post by **asekwonder** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:00 pm

thnx for the support...
and the haters....
that movie looks crazy.

two oh one · Post by **two oh one** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:27 pm

I like some graff.

I love wonabc stuff:

http://www.wonabc.com/

But, when it's just a bunch of shitty tags, I can leave it.

asekwonder · Post by **asekwonder** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:40 pm

two oh one wrote:I like some graff.

I love wonabc stuff:

http://www.wonabc.com/

But, when it's just a bunch of shitty tags, I can leave it.

im guessing that EVERY tag is shitty to you, no?
so ppl that think they like graff, really are more art fans than anything...if it has to have 10 colours in it for you to like it, you dont like real graffiti.
raw shit.
but yknow, everyone has opinions.

Jubz · Post by **Jubz** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:15 pm

Bob Crunkhouse wrote:lol, ure a fuckin ididot, not going into it now...will continue tommorow..

This is the response of somebody who prefers an argument to a discussion.

cure · Post by **cure** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:23 pm

Jubscarz wrote:
Bob Crunkhouse wrote:lol, ure a fuckin ididot, not going into it now...will continue tommorow..
This is the response of somebody who prefers an argument to a discussion.

yep. pretty narrow minded...its weird how a simple discussion turned into a heated hate fest.

bob crunkhouse · Post by **bob crunkhouse** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:49 pm

asekwonder wrote:

these two work of immense beauty have changed my mind forever. I was wrong. PRICKKKZZZZZZZZ

cure · Post by **cure** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:18 pm

Bob Crunkhouse wrote:
asekwonder wrote:

these two work of immense beauty have changed my mind forever. I was wrong. PRICKKKZZZZZZZZ

Dude...no one ever told you you were wrong. you can have your opinion and thats fine with me...Im not trying to convince you to like it. We are just sharing our opinion with you in hopes that you can see where we are coming from. But clearly you cant see past your own ego to have an intelligent conversation. You dont like it? Fine, but how does it make us pricks?

pscoop · Post by **pscoop** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 12:37 am

bob: sorry pal, youre just ignorant. use your own mind rather than just blindly regurgitating trash you have been conditioned to think.

why would art have to be aesthetically pleasing?

muppet

robbiej · Post by **robbiej** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 7:38 am

I keep reading all this " hes got a great handstyle, nice 'R' or whatever". Is there some reason that taggers cant just tag canvas or there own property?. i mean the sheer arrogance involved, the complete lack of respect for property, for your communities.

There is financial cost both to individuals and municipalities in removing this "art". i own a business and i have spent $1000's on expensive removal from stupid fucking tags. Do any of you want to re-imburse me?. How about provide me you licence plate number or your parents address and i can have a few people come by and get to work.

The narccisim involved in doing this is off the charts. I make art to, but i live my life with respect. I let people choose for themsleves, when and where to see my art, thats what artists do. Having to force your art on people, is proof of how little value it actually has.

i still think its funny that graffiti is associated with hip hop, its perfect. i mean if there was ever a culture that misunderstood the word 'respect' its hip hop.

Again i dont hate graffiti, sometimes (SOMETIMES!!) its art. It offends me to have to look at this stuff without choice. You're esentially art fascists. make some tags on your own fucking property put out flyer and if im interested ill go see (plesae keep in mind that A: im not interested and B: i wont go) otherwise : STAY THE FUCK OFF MY PROPERTY!

if any of the 'writers' want to put their money where their mouth is, then pm me and i can tell how you can help re-imburse all the money ive lost because of your 'art'.

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