The Fedora/Cringe thread

[garethom]

What would count as doing something?

It's not fair to argue this way as if doing just anything is a slight improvement.
Because then that non- action will take place and look like a thing that changed it a bit.

It's vain like charity is, and then you have to look at the types of people that would appeal to.

I'm not arguing, I just want to know what you think would actually count as doing something if showing solidarity doesn't count?

[Lye_Form]

Thump:


KAHN
Is Kahn's "Narcissistic Selfie-Stick Riddim" a Post-Postmodern Prank or Just A Total Screamer?
April 10, 2015
Josh Baines

Every so often it's nice to remember that expectations can still be confounded and we're not all totally immune to the possibility of surprise. Grime producer and Young Echo collective member Kahn is usually more Radar than Radio One so it was a surprise when he dropped nu-house shuffler "Narcissistic Selfie-Stick Riddim" on SoundCloud late this week. The track's divided opinion and we think there are two distinct ways of interpreting it.

The first of these involves us treating the track as an subject rather than an object. By this I mean that we have to consider it's composite parts - the Korg M1 preset that apes Robyn S' never-improved-upon "Show Me Love", the rote percussion, the vocal sample snatched from Justin Bieber's "Fa La La" - and interpret them through the prism of the form they've been shoehorned into: generic chart-bothering shallowly deep house. We know that this is "deep house" because it sounds like contemporary "deep house" even though this "deep house" sounds nothing like actual deep house even if it is a pitch-perfect approximation of the schematic signifiers that help us code this as the kind of "deep house" we internally associate with white Huaraches and carrot-bottomed jeans, footballers haircuts and a "cheeky" Nandos. It's inconsequentially there, as a song, it means nothing and says nothing, but simultaneously it is something pliant and malleable, something that can co-exist as a kind of barefaced pisstake of generic tropes while being appreciated viscerally by those who are happy to listen without theory. Play it next to Route 94 or whoever and it'd 'work.' This notion of a track 'working' takes us back to the idea of song as subject: "Narcissistic Selfie-Stick Riddim" is a song, presumably, that sold it's soul in the name of post-post-post-post-modernist prankery, gleefully negating autonomy and subjectivity in order to point out, again presumably, the pointlessness of assuming the generic identities of someone or something in order to fit in. This is the song as cloaking device.

The second? It's just a total fucking belter.

[mason666]

music journalism is so fuckign shit

[hubb]

What would count as doing something?

It's not fair to argue this way as if doing just anything is a slight improvement.
Because then that non- action will take place and look like a thing that changed it a bit.

It's vain like charity is, and then you have to look at the types of people that would appeal to.

I'm not arguing, I just want to know what you think would actually count as doing something if showing solidarity doesn't count?

I know and respect that completely. I mean as in 'the argument that'..

But I think maybe my personality is going in the way

[+] Spoiler

+ I come from a family of political activists that housed political fugitives and stuff like that.

I'm serious- like why not force men to walk hand in hand after hours on campus or on the streets?
I'm all for giving women room.
Like if we were forced to go in drag for 200 years I would feel it would be fair tbh. ¨
I realize most people think this is crazy AF ..

I feel solidarity is a very specific socialist political principle .. thats just why that terms irks me a bit and foreign.

Theres a point in saying that these guys doing this:

looks like fun wearing heels
has an audience
is seen like being active at college

thats why harkat could make that assumption and a few others chime in in agreement because it's slightly pretentious.

[sigbowls]

Good old cringe videos on youtube

[Phigure]

at the very least its an act of solidarity

phigure you're awesome and nice and what not but:

at the very most its an act of something that could barely resemble actual political solidarity

semantics. even if it isn't solidarity in the predominant usage of the word, that's still the meaning of the word - unity/support among a group

like I said earlier, most of them probably are wankers doing it for less than genuine reasons (I know enough people just like that), I just think it's a bit silly to paint them all with a brush declaring them to be white knights

[hubb]

totes fair bruv

[mason666]

so they are white knights but it is wrong to call them that?

[Phigure]

idk if you just misread or if youre deliberately misunderstanding me lol, of course there's gonna be white knights in every group (in this case perhaps even a lot), that doesnt mean the entire gesture is inauthentic

[NinjaEdit]

It's vain like charity is

Way to be a tnuc.

[soronery]

Last couple of pages, this thread has gone full ouroboros.

[hubb]

It's vain like charity is

Way to be a tnuc.

Hmmmm.. maybe you should read it again...

[ultraspatial]

music journalism is so fuckign shit

that's shitty music journalism tho

[Lye_Form]

more the cliches giving cringe reactions.

I miss pete and gareths reviews they were sick, factual and interesting, didnt read like a feminism article on objects and subjects

[hubb]

yeah its better in the form of docs

[SignalRecon]

This guy keeps sending his facebook adverts my way and im not sure how I feel about it:

[sigbowls]

more the cliches giving cringe reactions.

I miss pete and gareths reviews they were sick, factual and interesting, didnt read like a feminism article on objects and subjects

Listening to music and looking at your avatar ha

[soronery]

Via your chromosome collector card?

[hubb]

poking fun at the weak again, are we wub?

[pete_bubonic]

more the cliches giving cringe reactions.

I miss pete and gareths reviews they were sick, factual and interesting, didnt read like a feminism article on objects and subjects

Cheers dude, I really enjoyed writing them as well. However I do kinda like the opinion pieces that take into account current relevant topics and political climates. Music, like all art, is a reflection of the environment in which is was created. That said, I don't really agree with the linked article, but it's an interesting perspective nonetheless.