World Politics, Oil Prices, Volatile vibes skeen?

[robo-dub]

Its a shame all dance related music seems to just focusing on the more escapist ideas, rather than making its content obviously political, and with the exception of anti-war dub, dubstep it seems as well is a little guilty of this (if there is other stuff out there that takes on subjects like this then i apologise for my ignorance of it).
I dont think music for purely music's sake is a bad thing, but maby when we have so much great music that reaches so many differnent people all over the world, maby its smething of a more responsible stance to try and spread awareness over importent issues like this.
Im not talking preaching but at least make people aware that outside of the rave there is serious shit happening, someone once said "while your stupid you pose no threat" and while im not gonna get quick about calling dance fans stupid, replace stupid with "aware" or "actively interested"

Hmm i dunno if i want to be reminded of potentially life- threatening political situations when i'm out tryin to have a good ole bop or chilling at home. surely it's an individual's responsibility to be 'aware' or 'activley interested'?

[ufo over easy]

Its a shame all dance related music seems to just focusing on the more escapist ideas, rather than making its content obviously political, and with the exception of anti-war dub, dubstep it seems as well is a little guilty of this (if there is other stuff out there that takes on subjects like this then i apologise for my ignorance of it).

That's one of the great things about electronic music - its faceless, and free of any message (most of the time). It is escapism, but that's nothing to be ashamed of - most of the best things are.

[alex bk-bk]

Its a shame all dance related music seems to just focusing on the more escapist ideas, rather than making its content obviously political,

but having said that theres nothing worse than tunes with bait little token samples of bush talking or something. cheesy beyond believe and not really getting anyone anywhere

i think its pretty hard to make political music that isnt wholly trite

[peripheral]

Its a shame all dance related music seems to just focusing on the more escapist ideas, rather than making its content obviously political,

but having said that theres nothing worse than tunes with bait little token samples of bush talking or something. cheesy beyond believe and not really getting anyone anywhere

i think its pretty hard to make political music that isnt wholly trite

honestly, 'another day in paradise'? 'glad to be gay'? such classics should not be so easily discounted...

[kion]

*note to self. Thou shalt not talk politicals on a music forum.*

[mos dan]

i think its pretty hard to make political music that isnt wholly trite

agreed bk bk. the only time it works that i can think of is in folk music. bright eyes' 'when the president talks to god' or dylan's 'hurricane' are so incredibly up front, but so well written and honest about their earnestness that you forgive them. both great songs.

of course, instrumental music can totally be political. but i'm not gonna start ranting about shostakovich now cuz i need to leave work...

[seckle]

our international diplomatic credibility can never be repaired after our bombing of iraq. we have no bargaining chips to play in the UN, and 3 of the 5 permanent members of the security council don't trust our president. we're fucked diplomatically. my real worry at the moment is iran. if iran decides to attack israel in any way we'll be dragged into war chiefly because of our 60 year old alliance with israel. a war in the middle east will be spun by islamic fundamentalists into a holy war with the west. basically, a nightmarish situation. the world has 2.1 billion christians and 1.3 billion muslims.

[r33lc4sh]

our international diplomatic credibility can never be repaired after our bombing of iraq. we have no bargaining chips to play in the UN, and 3 of the 5 permanent members of the security council don't trust our president. we're fucked diplomatically. my real worry at the moment is iran. if iran decides to attack israel in any way we'll be dragged into war chiefly because of our 60 year old alliance with israel. a war in the middle east will be spun by islamic fundamentalists into a holy war with the west. basically, a nightmarish situation. the world has 2.1 billion christians and 1.3 billion muslims.

actually there where many wars with israel involved during those past 60 years and none of them become a world war - i think u are over-reacting

[seckle]

our international diplomatic credibility can never be repaired after our bombing of iraq. we have no bargaining chips to play in the UN, and 3 of the 5 permanent members of the security council don't trust our president. we're fucked diplomatically. my real worry at the moment is iran. if iran decides to attack israel in any way we'll be dragged into war chiefly because of our 60 year old alliance with israel. a war in the middle east will be spun by islamic fundamentalists into a holy war with the west. basically, a nightmarish situation. the world has 2.1 billion christians and 1.3 billion muslims.

actually there where many wars with israel involved during those past 60 years and none of them become a world war - i think u are over-reacting

maybe, but i don't think the future is too bright at the moment. dark days.

[geoff]

Its a shame all dance related music seems to just focusing on the more escapist ideas, rather than making its content obviously political, and with the exception of anti-war dub, dubstep it seems as well is a little guilty of this (if there is other stuff out there that takes on subjects like this then i apologise for my ignorance of it).
I dont think music for purely music's sake is a bad thing, but maby when we have so much great music that reaches so many differnent people all over the world, maby its smething of a more responsible stance to try and spread awareness over importent issues like this.
Im not talking preaching but at least make people aware that outside of the rave there is serious shit happening, someone once said "while your stupid you pose no threat" and while im not gonna get quick about calling dance fans stupid, replace stupid with "aware" or "actively interested"

There is quite a few on Hyperdub that seem political in some way, from Money Honey through to Sign of the Dub and Kingstown and 9 Samurai.
I agree that instrumental music can be political though.

[spaceboy]

why delete the thread! come on, if your truly into dub, you know say its rebel music doods!

[spaceboy]

also fact of the matter is: oil is a finite resource...nuclear power is pretty much the most effective replacement...take india and china absolutely dying for energy to maintain the output it has set itself (and which the rest of the world consumes - so cheap!) so.....nuclear is in brothers...

my issue with iran is that its new president is a bit nuts...

but so is george w.

[marsyas]

Its a shame all dance related music seems to just focusing on the more escapist ideas, rather than making its content obviously political, and with the exception of anti-war dub, dubstep it seems as well is a little guilty of this (if there is other stuff out there that takes on subjects like this then i apologise for my ignorance of it).
I dont think music for purely music's sake is a bad thing, but maby when we have so much great music that reaches so many differnent people all over the world, maby its smething of a more responsible stance to try and spread awareness over importent issues like this.
Im not talking preaching but at least make people aware that outside of the rave there is serious shit happening, someone once said "while your stupid you pose no threat" and while im not gonna get quick about calling dance fans stupid, replace stupid with "aware" or "actively interested"

There is quite a few on Hyperdub that seem political in some way, from Money Honey through to Sign of the Dub and Kingstown and 9 Samurai.
I agree that instrumental music can be political though.

yeah it can, good example here.

http://www.anticon.com/alias-eyesclosed.mp3

and it doesnt have to be as blatant as that.
instrumental music can be political in many ways.

[kion]

From physicstoday.com -

Some two dozen power plants are scheduled to be built or refurbished during the next five years in Canada, China, several European Union countries, India, Iran, Pakistan, Russia, and South Africa. In the US and the UK, governmental preparations are under way that may lead to 15 new reactor orders by 2007.

About 16% of the world's electricity supply comes from nuclear power, and energy demand is increasing (see PHYSICS TODAY, April 2002, page 54). Worldwide, nearly 80% of the 441 commercial nuclear reactors currently in operation are more than 15 years old. To maintain nuclear power's position in the overall energy mix, new reactors will have to replace decommissioned ones, says a report from the Paris-based International Energy Agency.

The new interest in civilian nuclear energy results from some heavy lobbying by groups involved in building reactors, says Edwin Lyman of the Union of Concerned Scientists, and from attempts to reduce carbon-dioxide emissions. EU Energy Commissioner Andris Piebalgs adds that there are also increasing concerns about energy security, particularly in light of the recent disruption of Russian gas supplies in Europe.

Most of the new reactor designs are third-generation pressurized-water reactors (PWR), although companies in China, France, and South Africa are looking to build a fourth-generation design called a gas-pebble-bed reactor (PBMR). The new reactors are supposed to be inexpensive to build, more powerful, and safer; and they can be operated for up to 60 years, according to nuclear-power trade groups.

The international view

Late last year, officials from Bruce Power, one of Canada's largest power companies, announced a Can$4.25 billion (US$3.6 billion) investment to rebuild two reactors that have stood idle for nearly 10 years on the eastern shore of Lake Huron, north of Kincardine, Ontario. Last December, the Ontario Power Authority proposed plans to build 12 new nuclear plants to help phase out Ontario's coal-fired power stations.

New 1600-MW European PWRs are being built, one in Finland and one in France, with respective power-up dates of 2008 and 2012. On 5 January, France's president, Jacques Chirac, announced plans for an expansion of renewable and nuclear energy sources for France, including a PBMR by 2020. UK Prime Minister Tony Blair is expected to announce this spring six to eight new reactors in the UK.

Russia is currently constructing several reactors, including an 800-MW fast neutron reactor, but financial difficulties may delay four of them, says the London-based World Nuclear Association. Iran is building two Russian-designed reactors, the first of which should go on line later this year. The first South African PBMR is set to be completed in 2012.

Nuclear-industry officials have long said that the majority of growth would come in Asia. Japan is building five new power plants by 2010, and China plans to build 30 nuclear reactors, based on domestic designs, by 2020. China also sees nuclear technology as a major export opportunity, say industry analysts, and is building its second of four power plants for Pakistan, which may lead to a larger order. India has nine power plants under construction, including a fast-breeder reactor that generates its own fuel.

Six countries—Argentina, Brazil, Bulgaria, Chile, the Czech Republic, and Turkey—may build two to five PWRs each, while Germany, Sweden, and Switzerland are now reevaluating plans to phase-out nuclear power.
US moves

The US nuclear power industry has been virtually frozen since the Three Mile Island accident in 1979, but in the US Congress 2005 energy bill, tax credits worth $3.1 billion, along with liability protection and compensation for legislative delays, were added for the industry. On 30 December 2005, for the first time in years, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) certified the design of a new reactor—the 1000-MW Westinghouse advanced passive (AP) reactor.

Six US power-plant operators are preparing combined construction and operating license (COL) requests to the NRC that could restart construction in the next five years. NuStart Energy, a consortium of nine nuclear energy companies, submitted plans for a General Electric simplified boiling water reactor at the Grand Gulf nuclear station near Port Gibson, Mississippi, and an AP-1000 reactor at the Bellefonte nuclear plant near Scottsboro, Alabama.

Two AP-1000 reactors may be built in the Carolinas by Duke Energy, along with another reactor by Progress Energy. "Preparing this application provides us the option to continue using a diverse fuel mix in the future," says Brew Barron, Duke Energy's chief nuclear officer.

Constellation Energy of Baltimore, Maryland, is in partnership with AREVA, a large French–German engineering firm, to submit COL requests for a European PWR at the Calvert Cliffs Nuclear Power Plant site in southern Maryland and the Nine Mile Point nuclear plant in Oswego, New York. Entergy, another NuStart member, announced it was preparing its own COL request for a new reactor at its River Bend Station power plant in St. Francisville, Louisiana. On 6 December, two electric utilities, Scana Corp and Santee Cooper, filed a letter of intent with the Nuclear Regulatory Commission to build two new reactors north of Columbia, South Carolina, to meet growing regional power demands.

According to representatives of the electric utilities involved, the US government and the reactor technology suppliers are paying for most of the $150 million the certification process costs. "The utilities are waiting to see if they can get any more subsidies out of the government," says Lyman, "so it's still premature to say if any of them will go ahead." A satisfactory means for disposal of their radioactive waste products has not yet been announced.

But the nuclear power industry believes the first new US order is only two years away. Says NuStart Energy president Marilyn Kray, "Our country needs these advanced nuclear plants."

Nuclear is already becoming the way forward whether we like it or not.

[dust shop]

"Its a shame all dance related music seems to just focusing on the more escapist ideas, rather than making its content obviously political"

-> I did these tracks:

http://www.archive.org/download/this_on ... turkey.mp3

disnee's turkey coz every year the presdient of the usa saves a turkey and this turkey finish it's live in disneyland
contains an el-p samples

http://www.archive.org/download/this_on ... n_fall.mp3

no samples... it's just about the track title...


interesting peoples you should really take a look at: "When the city burns down I'm gonna go to Disney World"

http://www.theyesmen.org/

they ask really interesting questions, doing it almost artistically and it's funny!

[dust shop]

messed up my copy & paste

[alex bk-bk]

doesnt that alias track have vocals by thingy from notwist on it?
but yeah intrumental music can defintly be political no quesation there. it just takes a craftsman. and i can't see the agendas of dance and politic combining easily

[viceroy]

this must be the 'lets all bash the u.s' thread

I was waiting for one to pop up. Remember, America is at fault for everything. Every country worldwide is in the grips of the evil U.S.A., and are totally helpless to change anything otherwise.



Its a global evil. We ALL live comfortable because the rest of the world is living in squaller. Im not going to go on about what other countrys have done to contribute to this, or there own imperialism. Im not here to point fingers.

I think were proper fucked at the moment. With the fact that Iran is in our sites, my uncle who just came back from Iraq is now flying over Eroupe, heading to Afganistan. Our troops are being spread so thin, that its now being counterproductive (like war). He does not support the war, and hates Bush. I talked to him on Easter before he left; he told me he is leaving the Marines after over 15 years of servace, because of his disagreement with the US leadership.

We need to take to the streets.

[jackquinox]

Type the world failure into google and see what the first hit is.......... google bombs ey funny stuff!

unfortunaltey thats the extent of my political knowledge really.

[spaceboy]

Hold-up, I work for an american firm, i never made this out to be an america-bashing thread...its funny how it turns out like that