Whats your view about all things scene related???

[*grand*]

unfortunatley Dubstep producers do follow formulaic patterns, it isn't necessarily a bad thing, Shonky has got it spot on. How many times have you heard a tune and your mate been like listen to the drums thats benga, khromestar, etc... ofcourse you get the one or two different tracks that are annomolies that dont fall on or close to the line of best fit, and its these tunes that take your breathe away. If you listen to dubstep, and follow it you should be able to at least get the idea that producers influence producers, skream - tes la rok for example... hence why in a period of a few months you get 50 simililar tunes .. allthough you might not hear em some of us do.. classic example skream 2D:whistla 3D. Im quite happy with the scene at this moment in time, people who have been in it along time are getting some recognition such as Anti Social Entertainment, they have been making fantastic beats for a while, and its only in the last couple of months that things have been moving for these guys. I guess Dubstep could be called a movement if i was to define it. i was pretty scared when it got quite stagnant at the beginnig of this year.. only for it to be revitalised this summer by a collection of angry woblers that got everyone back on logic and reason. Dubstep growing its clearly evident.. but might it be at the risk of spiraling out of control? its growing at an incredible pace.. all one has to do is go to fwd on a friday night on a number of occasions to see just how many new faces know about this music as a whole. My only probelm now is with so much of this stuff how do we make sure the quality surfaces? its annoying to having to listen to 1 million radio shows a week just so i can here TRG remix of that Martyn tune... quality over quantity, right?

[corpsey]

My only probelm now is with so much of this stuff how do we make sure the quality surfaces? its annoying to having to listen to 1 million radio shows a week just so i can here TRG remix of that Martyn tune... quality of quantity right?

I've said it a few times already but I think it's basically up to promoters and DJs, rather than producers. Producers will always make varied styles but its up to DJs to give those tunes light in a genre where most people are exposed to things via radio/live sets. Promoters obviously have to be willing to put on DJs who will do this, or at least a range of DJs who might all have their own style but aren't playing alongside DJs with a similar/identical style of selection. Who wants to hear the same DJ with a different name play 5 sets in a night anyway?

The problem is that DJs and promoters are answerable to an audience- if they want to be successful, that is, they play/put on what gets people on the dancefloor most reliably. There are lots of tunes that would get a dancefloor going (even if it wasn't all beard stroking purists) but might not have the same massive impact as something more conventional- so they get forgotten.

I always think of when I saw Skream in Nottingham a while ago and he was playing a lot of bangers, rusko tunes etc and it was going off, then he put on 2D and it seemed like most of the crowd didn't really know how to react, or didn't want to hear something a bit different- and he mixed out of it quite quickly. I don't blame him for that at all, thats increasingly going to be the way a crowd reacts at a dubstep night I think.

[corpsey]

p.s.- that Martyn remix is too much needs a release urgently

[*grand*]

My only probelm now is with so much of this stuff how do we make sure the quality surfaces? its annoying to having to listen to 1 million radio shows a week just so i can here TRG remix of that Martyn tune... quality of quantity right?

I've said it a few times already but I think it's basically up to promoters and DJs, rather than producers. Producers will always make varied styles but its up to DJs to give those tunes light in a genre where most people are exposed to things via radio/live sets. Promoters obviously have to be willing to put on DJs who will do this, or at least a range of DJs who might all have their own style but aren't playing alongside DJs with a similar/identical style of selection. Who wants to hear the same DJ with a different name play 5 sets in a night anyway?

The problem is that DJs and promoters are answerable to an audience- if they want to be successful, that is, they play/put on what gets people on the dancefloor most reliably. There are lots of tunes that would get a dancefloor going (even if it wasn't all beard stroking purists) but might not have the same massive impact as something more conventional- so they get forgotten.

I always think of when I saw Skream in Nottingham a while ago and he was playing a lot of bangers, rusko tunes etc and it was going off, then he put on 2D and it seemed like most of the crowd didn't really know how to react, or didn't want to hear something a bit different- and he mixed out of it quite quickly. I don't blame him for that at all, thats increasingly going to be the way a crowd reacts at a dubstep night I think.

hit the nail on the head.. back in the day it was not uncommon for a really different tune to be played.. the punters still felt the vybe.. but with the influx of half breeds Pill heads common folk, D'js are ever more playing to the crowd. like you said alot of those tunes that get you moving in a different way get forgotten.. so how do we make sure other than me requesting tunes like DA prt 2, Saints and Sinners, maintain through madness, Dub heaven get played especially if the vast majority of punters don't appreciate tunes like that? how do we convince the dj's to play tunes that are spot on but don't get the crowd going to put it on deckle? And how many more times am i going to here fuckign night, through on some L wizs or some thing Cowboy universal.. got the same dramtic begining and energy and is easy to hum along too... Nights alright, but not that great.. for every tnuc under the son to be playing.. Heard silencer playing it the other day.. and he said he dont even like dubstep.. too much base lol.... and pretty much the big producers are the scenes main Dj, Ntype, Chef, being the only ones who arnt in my top 10 list...

[dolly]

I always think of when I saw Skream in Nottingham a while ago and he was playing a lot of bangers, rusko tunes etc and it was going off, then he put on 2D and it seemed like most of the crowd didn't really know how to react, or didn't want to hear something a bit different- and he mixed out of it quite quickly. I don't blame him for that at all, thats increasingly going to be the way a crowd reacts at a dubstep night I think.

Cos its was brand new at the time, very different and bit strange compared to other dubstep....fast forward a few months since then and 2D was going off in clubs...why? cos people knew it, had heard it b4, was familiar with it etc.

I find at the moment, when brand new, fresh tracks get played for the first time in clubs, they dont get the recognition they deserve.......at first....once people get to know they are quite rightly bangers!

[elgato]

opinions opinions

i dont think that most dancefloors are as stupid as they often seem to be characterised. as you say Corpsey it needs brave promoters and djs to push it away from the fate its rapidly accelerating towards (pure, masculine rinse-out), to be prepared to work a crowd.

musically i think there are amazing artists still producing, but there is a ridiculous amount of rubbish. and i think that there is still a massive under-representation of positive energy in it, and an even greater under-representation of (what i heard brilliantly described recently as) levity. i love deep music, and i love oppressive music, and i love aggressive, rowdy tear-out music, but there is no balance in 'dubstep' currently.

as a scene i think there is a sick core of people producing, djing and promoting. but there are a lot of things i dislike about it - i think there is a lot of rhetoric surrounding it which presents it as insular, arrogant, and narrow-minded. perspective is needed, and an understanding of its place.

and probably most importantly, people shouldnt care whether something is dubstep or not.

[*grand*]

and probably most importantly, people shouldnt care whether something is dubstep or not.

more tracks like Feel me pls... !

[shonky]

I always think of when I saw Skream in Nottingham a while ago and he was playing a lot of bangers, rusko tunes etc and it was going off, then he put on 2D and it seemed like most of the crowd didn't really know how to react, or didn't want to hear something a bit different- and he mixed out of it quite quickly. I don't blame him for that at all, thats increasingly going to be the way a crowd reacts at a dubstep night I think.

Cos its was brand new at the time, very different and bit strange compared to other dubstep....fast forward a few months since then and 2D was going off in clubs...why? cos people knew it, had heard it b4, was familiar with it etc.

I find at the moment, when brand new, fresh tracks get played for the first time in clubs, they dont get the recognition they deserve.......at first....once people get to know they are quite rightly bangers!

To be honest it's usually the tunes that are completely off the wall and unexpected that really make the evening - seems pretty sheeplike to only respond to tunes once everyone else has decided it's ok. First time I heard Reso's Identity it totally stood out from the more familiar sounding tunes in the set, likewise with TRG's Broken Hearts/Put You Down.

Dubstep was based on people being dissatisfied with the confines of a particular sound and busting out something new and I'd hate to see that stop as the crowds become more conservative or narrow what is and isn't allowed within the genre.

[elgato]

more tracks like Feel me pls... !

exactly!

Dubstep was based on people being dissatisfied with the confines of a particular sound and busting out something new and I'd hate to see that stop as the crowds become more conservative or narrow what is and isn't allowed within the genre.

this gets to the heart of what i think. i think essentially that dubstep is getting towards being so homogenous that it will spawn some very fresh, different things, most likely completely outside of 'dubstep' - this is what i mean saying ppl shouldnt care whether its dubstep or not - dubstep is just a stage in the ongoing development of the uk underground. thats why for me House Party was so ridiculously on the mark - sounds from all across the board - the amalgamation of all that will be the future...

[dolly]

To be honest it's usually the tunes that are completely off the wall and unexpected that really make the evening

Yeah I totally agree!

[markle]

Tunes: imitation will always follow innovation
DJ's: Need to take more risks
Scene: is still evolving...let's see where it goes

[corpsey]

thats why for me House Party was so ridiculously on the mark - sounds from all across the board - the amalgamation of all that will be the future...

House Party really reminded me of the first dubstep nights I went to- not just because I could smoke on the dancefloor lol It was the variety of music that made it (The Bug playing Dancehall, everyone playing garage and a bit of Hip-Hop and grime too...) and what's more it helped me remember that I fucking LOVE a good wobbler, because the DJs were playing those sorts of tunes ALONGSIDE other types of tunes.

[*grand*]

To be honest it's usually the tunes that are completely off the wall and unexpected that really make the evening

Yeah I totally agree!

i like it when a DJ plays something that gets me so excited that i sudenly develop tyrets...

[daggus]

i like it when a DJ plays something that gets me so excited that i sudenly develop tyrets...

do you start swearing profusly an scream rewind?

[*grand*]

i like it when a DJ plays something that gets me so excited that i sudenly develop tyrets...

do you start swearing profusly an scream rewind?

hold tigth anyone near the booth at FWD..

[shonky]

Elgato, I think the levity thing is in well short supply, a lot of the music I hear lately takes itself way too seriously. Kind of get the idea I'm in a church rather than a nightclub half the time (although it's both at Mass obviously)

[corpsey]

Nothing like a good ''What the FUUUUUCK?!'' moment

Up there with the ''I have to stand still and just make a sickened face to this bassline'' and the ''A girl just accidentally brushed against my thigh-muscle'' IMO

[slothrop]

this gets to the heart of what i think. i think essentially that dubstep is getting towards being so homogenous that it will spawn some very fresh, different things, most likely completely outside of 'dubstep' - this is what i mean saying ppl shouldnt care whether its dubstep or not - dubstep is just a stage in the ongoing development of the uk underground.

Strongly agree.

It always used to be quite funny when you got people on drum and bass forums complaining about people 'jumping ship' to 'flash in the pan' genres that are 'going to disappear in a couple of years'. Underground music is interesting partly because it's constantly changing and mutating - and who cares if at some point it gets given a new name - but these people feel that there's something really impressive and respectable about a style of music that carries on going forever without doing anything radically new.

[tronman]

my view is that the majority of the beats are generally deadout and practically identical.

big up benga, mala, kode9 & toasty on the drums - they kill it.

[quidz]

If you think dubstep is good music, listen to it, support it, produce it, play it.
If you dont like it and you think it follows a boring formula which doesnt interest you, fuck off.
The scene is evolving just like any other genre would/has/is...if you see something you dont like that is happening, dont support it, and lead by example instead.