Untrue - your thoughts

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:08 pm

well.. it does

to an extent

early tricky stuff - dubbed out crackly coolness. doesn't get enough credit cos the sounds so unfashionable now, but with the level of exposure this albums getting I wouldn't be massively surprised if the same was true of burial's sound in 10 years - unless he does release that 'ultra-darkside album'

badger · Post by **badger** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:10 pm

big trip hop fan then shonky?
agree that the first album is probably better as an album, more of a cohesive whole but theres some really good tracks on the new one. not sure how untrue flows as an album as ive only heard it on vinyl, hard to see how it flows when swapping plates etc, and when the track listings all wrong

joseph-j · Post by **joseph-j** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:35 pm

Future Producer wrote:I enjoy his shit.

Sounds a bit like dark Tip-Hop.

*retch*

utopian · Post by **utopian** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:19 pm

Anyone else find that Archangel (the first tune on the vinyl format) is a sad-sounding tune?

Just wondering, because it seems most people find it kind of happy. I think it's got something melancholic to it. Interesting the contrasting ways people perceive these things.

7" · Post by 7" » Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:24 pm

^
Archangel has an antagonistic feeling innit, its just not sad... its happy at the same time, weird feeling, opposing feelings so easily.

heartbreaking soul

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:26 pm

UFO over easy wrote:well.. it does to an extent

early tricky stuff - dubbed out crackly coolness. doesn't get enough credit cos the sounds so unfashionable now, but with the level of exposure this albums getting I wouldn't be massively surprised if the same was true of burial's sound in 10 years - unless he does release that 'ultra-darkside album'

Tricky was fucking awesome though (till he quit skunk), most trip hop was just either repetetive or noodly (bit like dubstep on the former...hmmm..I spot a link)

paolo · Post by **paolo** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:14 pm

I think it's good that Burial's music is open to so many different interpretations. I'm not sure why I think that's a good thing, I just do

the wiggle baron · Post by **the wiggle baron** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:17 pm

right, finally got round to buying it today...gimme an hour or 2!

tone.def · Post by **tone.def** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:24 pm

[quote="Joseph-J"]my 2 cents

although there are some stunning 'stand out' tracks on Untrue, Burial is a better album. it gels more conherently.

more importantly, the first album had a real mysteriousness about it; it was really sadly nostalgic but you couldn't put your finger on why.

Untrue however, wears its heart on its sleeve; it drives home the THIS IS A SAD SONG aspect, and I think it loses an emotional dimension that made the first so intriging.[/quote]

i sort of agree with you on this. the first one was way more ambiguous (much more of a "dub" album in that the vocals floated in and out of the mix with less frequency). the latest one is more obvious in its intentions. i don't think it's a weakness or any fault though, it's just different and anybody who was taken by surprise by burial's latest detour wasn't paying attention. tracks like "unite" and his "wayfaring stranger" remix played with vocals in a more obvious way than the first record.

really i see the latest album as more sunny, and frankly more pop-friendly. like some form of mutated r&b from an alien planet; recognizable as pop r&b but strangely twisted. good stuff. i'm glad he went in this direction. for the next album i'm hoping he'll tone it back down and do another moody album like the first. with tracks like "versus" i see a bright (er, dark) future for burial.

tone.def · Post by **tone.def** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 12:12 am

this might be a weird observation (and maybe i'm crazy or just a total fanboy) but has anybody else noticed the similarities between burial and the early 90's shoegaze rock band and cult favorite "my bloody valentine?"

both artists are extremely reclusive. both are known above all else for the quality and texture of their music (ie. lo-fi equipment and production, bittersweet washes of noise and static, melancholic atmosphere, androgynous vocals buried in the mix, lyrics largely indecipherable). both have release two albums to date, both regarded as undisputed genre classics.

saba · Post by **saba** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 1:45 am

I finally D/L th album on Monday & i haven't stopped listening to it. Its great for anyone who goes running or walking in the early hours before work!

enik · Post by **enik** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:08 am

Archangel for tune of the year!!! This tune is so so moving....goes straight to the heart...amazing...
Peace!!!

b&w · Post by **b&w** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:52 am

Enik wrote:Archangel for tune of the year!!! This tune is so so moving....goes straight to the heart...amazing...
Peace!!!

ditto the sleestak + untrue = album of the year.

fairieswearboots · Post by **fairieswearboots** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:01 pm

After listening to it - I cant help but feel that many of the tracks are just dying for a full vocal -

Can you imagine how good a proper soul/R&B vocalist would sound - it would be THE SOUND OF FUTURE R&B for 2010+

Next album needs 2 or 3 full vocal tracks with a female vocalist (still deciding who) 1 track with and a male reggae artist (i.e. Horace Andy style)
also a good hip hop track (Dabrye style)

Imagine Tricky over Burial!?

Untrue (IMHO) isnt quite the new 'Blue Lines' but I think he could make it , just needs more vocals for the lyrics/story to complete the package.

Does anyone have a link to the Kode 9 mix that is just the mix (and not the rest of MAH show)?

badger · Post by **badger** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:37 pm

FairiesWearBoots wrote:After listening to it - I cant help but feel that many of the tracks are just dying for a full vocal -

Can you imagine how good a proper soul/R&B vocalist would sound - it would be THE SOUND OF FUTURE R&B for 2010+

Next album needs 2 or 3 full vocal tracks with a female vocalist (still deciding who) 1 track with and a male reggae artist (i.e. Horace Andy style)
also a good hip hop track (Dabrye style)

probably gonna come off a right dick here but nevermind...

no offence mate but im not sure you really get what burials about (i know its not my place to tell you how to listen to music but seriously...)
hip hop vocals over burial clearly arent going to happen, theyre about as far as you can get from the burial sound as you could imagine. the whole point of the cut up vocals for me (dont know the original motivations) is that they give a glimpse of the emotion and meaning that burials trying to evoke. give a track a full on vocal and part of the genius of burial is destroyed. someone mentioned this earlier on but the beauty of burial is that you have to fill in the blanks

and you'll find that mix in the mixes section somewhere

sjr · Post by **sjr** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:01 pm

tone.def wrote:this might be a weird observation (and maybe i'm crazy or just a total fanboy) but has anybody else noticed the similarities between burial and the early 90's shoegaze rock band and cult favorite "my bloody valentine?"

I've seen comparisons made in a few places, yeah. Works for me, and I love them both.

crabs · Post by **crabs** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:25 pm

FairiesWearBoots wrote:After listening to it - I cant help but feel that many of the tracks are just dying for a full vocal -

Can you imagine how good a proper soul/R&B vocalist would sound - it would be THE SOUND OF FUTURE R&B for 2010+

Next album needs 2 or 3 full vocal tracks with a female vocalist (still deciding who) 1 track with and a male reggae artist (i.e. Horace Andy style)
also a good hip hop track (Dabrye style)

Imagine Tricky over Burial!?

Untrue (IMHO) isnt quite the new 'Blue Lines' but I think he could make it , just needs more vocals for the lyrics/story to complete the package.

Does anyone have a link to the Kode 9 mix that is just the mix (and not the rest of MAH show)?

I know you mean well mate, but your ideas for his next album sound like the tracklisting might end up something like this....

1. Burial ft. Beenie Man - Gal dem Ramshank
2. Burial ft. Snoop - Buttpluggz n da Hood
3. Burial ft. Mary J Blige - Ooh Boy (Hot Stuff)
4. Burial ft. Boyz II Men - Ooh Girl (I Luv U)
5. Burial ft. Timbaland, Nicole Scherzinger, Justin Timberlake & Duncan Bannatyne - Got Dem Benjamins

etc, etc. You get my point.

slim · Post by **slim** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:04 pm

Crabs wrote:
I know you mean well mate, but your ideas for his next album sound like the tracklisting might end up something like this....

1. Burial ft. Beenie Man - Gal dem Ramshank
2. Burial ft. Snoop - Buttpluggz n da Hood
3. Burial ft. Mary J Blige - Ooh Boy (Hot Stuff)
4. Burial ft. Boyz II Men - Ooh Girl (I Luv U)
5. Burial ft. Timbaland, Nicole Scherzinger, Justin Timberlake & Duncan Bannatyne - Got Dem Benjamins

etc, etc. You get my point.

Hahaha nice. Although i would still pay good money to hear that.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IK6U4A21

Thats my 320 kbps recording of the mix off my crackly analogue radio, there is a 192 version somewhere else which i will try to find in a sec that someone did off the stream.

boskey · Post by **boskey** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:32 pm

Hm, few tracks from Untrue sometimes reminds me a LITTLE bit (of course not in a bad sense!!!!) one polish producer

His name is Noon, and here you have sample form his STUDIO GAMES vinyl EP released in 2003

http://www.wrzuta.pl/audio/iZsJ19evFK/basic_destruction

What do you think about it

the wiggle baron · Post by **the wiggle baron** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:13 pm

Just listened to the album as a whole for the first time, and...well, hats off.

Lets be honest words fall a little short with stuff like this, and anything I can say has probably already been said.

I think it might top the self-titled album for me, but that might just be because I only just finished listening to it/still am...

Either way, he is a don.

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