Hardware vs Software???

feasible_weasel · Post by **feasible_weasel** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 6:36 pm

I was thinking about investing in one of these

as i would like to have realtime instruments to play. ide love to have hardware in the end.
is it really worth it..for example in reason i could layer 2/3 different baselines and play with them realtime. and create some interesting baselines. but this wont be possible with just one hardware item.

bob crunkhouse · Post by **bob crunkhouse** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 6:52 pm

its possible with software and a midi controller.

mrhope · Post by **mrhope** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 7:14 pm

if you go for a synth, go for one with more extensive oscillator waveforms.

two oh one · Post by **two oh one** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 7:47 pm

Don't get that, Feas. Honestly, I doubt that can do anything you can't already do in software. It's not even that nice of a synth - Just Roland cashing in on its legacy synths, in this case the legendary SH-101.

If you're going to take up valuable desk space with Hardware (I've seen your desk bro, you need a bigger one!), I would go and raid some pawn shops and get something classic with a bit of character, rather than Roland's last ditch effort to compete with software.

They're last gasping, unless they pull something remarkable out of their tattered arse.

Just ask yourself - What can I do with this that I can't already do with software and a MIDI controller? Does it have a unique sound or controls?

feasible_weasel · Post by **feasible_weasel** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 7:55 pm

two oh one wrote:Don't get that, Feas. Honestly, I doubt that can do anything you can't already do in software. It's not even that nice of a synth - Just Roland cashing in on its legacy synths, in this case the legendary SH-101.

If you're going to take up valuable desk space with Hardware (I've seen your desk bro, you need a bigger one!), I would go and raid some pawn shops and get something classic with a bit of character, rather than Roland's last ditch effort to compete with software.

They're last gasping, unless they pull something remarkable out of their tattered arse.

Just ask yourself - What can I do with this that I can't already do with software and a MIDI controller? Does it have a unique sound or controls?

fair enough...i have reason 4,so i have access to good stuff
i might just have to invest in a nice midi keyboard

two oh one · Post by **two oh one** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:07 pm

feasible_weasel wrote:
two oh one wrote:Don't get that, Feas. Honestly, I doubt that can do anything you can't already do in software. It's not even that nice of a synth - Just Roland cashing in on its legacy synths, in this case the legendary SH-101.

If you're going to take up valuable desk space with Hardware (I've seen your desk bro, you need a bigger one!), I would go and raid some pawn shops and get something classic with a bit of character, rather than Roland's last ditch effort to compete with software.

They're last gasping, unless they pull something remarkable out of their tattered arse.

Just ask yourself - What can I do with this that I can't already do with software and a MIDI controller? Does it have a unique sound or controls?
fair enough...i have reason 4,so i have access to good stuff
i might just have to invest in a nice midi keyboard

Yeah, software becomes a different beast once you have a midi keyboard. It stops being this stiff and heavily sequenced thing, because you can start jamming. Just get a drum loop going and start playing a bass line live over the top.

feasible_weasel · Post by **feasible_weasel** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:21 pm

two oh one wrote:
feasible_weasel wrote:
two oh one wrote:Don't get that, Feas. Honestly, I doubt that can do anything you can't already do in software. It's not even that nice of a synth - Just Roland cashing in on its legacy synths, in this case the legendary SH-101.

If you're going to take up valuable desk space with Hardware (I've seen your desk bro, you need a bigger one!), I would go and raid some pawn shops and get something classic with a bit of character, rather than Roland's last ditch effort to compete with software.

They're last gasping, unless they pull something remarkable out of their tattered arse.

Just ask yourself - What can I do with this that I can't already do with software and a MIDI controller? Does it have a unique sound or controls?
fair enough...i have reason 4,so i have access to good stuff
i might just have to invest in a nice midi keyboard
Yeah, software becomes a different beast once you have a midi keyboard. It stops being this stiff and heavily sequenced thing, because you can start jamming. Just get a drum loop going and start playing a bass line live over the top.

i have a 25 key controller, so im gonna jump up to 49

Sharmaji · Post by **Sharmaji** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:25 pm

i really, really, really like the sh201-- the filters are really powerful, etc and it's imminently tweakable, quite easy to get into the guys of its synthesis engine and build stuff.

BUT

it's essentially reason's subtractor synth (2-osc subtractive synthesis) with an audio-line in. and if you're not 100% confortable with synthesis-- wouldn't recommend it.

plus you'll need some sort of stereo-line-in audio interface, one that will let you do latency-free monitoring.

and also-- working with hardware means you have to really commit to an idea. once it's captured as audio, the world of what you can do with it changes entirely. often for the good, but it's an entirely different method (physically AND mentally) of working than sequencing in reason.

plus-- if you're only using reason-- you've got no way to record audio.

feasible_weasel · Post by **feasible_weasel** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:20 am

TeReKeTe wrote:i really, really, really like the sh201-- the filters are really powerful, etc and it's imminently tweakable, quite easy to get into the guys of its synthesis engine and build stuff.

BUT

it's essentially reason's subtractor synth (2-osc subtractive synthesis) with an audio-line in. and if you're not 100% confortable with synthesis-- wouldn't recommend it.

plus you'll need some sort of stereo-line-in audio interface, one that will let you do latency-free monitoring.

and also-- working with hardware means you have to really commit to an idea. once it's captured as audio, the world of what you can do with it changes entirely. often for the good, but it's an entirely different method (physically AND mentally) of working than sequencing in reason.

plus-- if you're only using reason-- you've got no way to record audio.

yeah,ive also been informed that if i want hardware to really get older stuff (not virtual analogues) like the sh-09 and jupiter 6 for powerful hardware. i think alot of hardware is need like a mixture and some sort of audio processor.
so until i can go all out on hardware..im might as well stick with reason and use other programs for vst's

auan · Post by **auan** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:14 pm

feasible_weasel wrote:yeah,ive also been informed that if i want hardware to really get older stuff (not virtual analogues)

Erm, depends. The Roland RS-09 is analog and it's shite and I can't get rid of mine. The Access Virus is virtual analog and it's baaaaad.

chunkie · Post by **chunkie** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:26 pm

Auan wrote:The Access Virus is virtual analog and it's baaaaad.

wil blaze · Post by **wil blaze** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:45 pm

go on ebay and get some vintage analogue synth or buy a microphone and some mental instruments and play about...

hardware is amazing but it's not worth spending loads on the most recent shit that sounds similar to software... get some old shit 2nd hand that has some sounds that u can't get so well in software... analougue synths are particlarly nice!

either that or just get loads of fx pedals and shit and run things though them... that can be really creative

tempest · Post by **tempest** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 1:05 am

The access virus is my favorite synth ever..... one of the few i've actually played around with to be honest, but nevertheless... it's epic

future producer · Post by **future producer** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 1:24 am

Moog Modular V. If you can get your head round it you'll never use another synth again. Amazing.

feasible_weasel · Post by **feasible_weasel** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 1:29 am

Future Producer wrote:Moog Modular V. If you can get your head round it you'll never use another synth again. Amazing.

nice

westernsynthetics · Post by **westernsynthetics** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:05 am

for ease of production, i mean if you are a "mobile producer" vst's are your friend. But there is nothing like a Juno or a moog. They both have their place i guess.

sherbert mastodon · Post by **sherbert mastodon** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:07 am

Sh101 ftw!!
201 filter goes zippy sometimes, eurgh, def a nono!!!

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