Basslines- mono or stero?

sean_demis · Post by **sean_demis** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:54 pm

ssometime mono sometimes stereo.

what do yous guys do?

MARCHMELLOW · Post by **MARCHMELLOW** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:59 pm

Sub= Mono

other sub sounds.... thats preference

John Locke · Post by **John Locke** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:01 pm

gaston_UK wrote:Sub= Mono

other sub sounds.... thats preference

yeah, bass and kick MUST b mono, but layered higher freq parts of the bassline can b stereo

auan · Post by **auan** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:05 pm

I do everything in mono, just some subtle panning and things like ping pong delay for seperation.

There was a freebie plugin that worked something like a crossover, you fed it a stereo bassline and it made everything below a user-defined frequency panned centre, effectively making it mono.

auan · Post by **auan** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:09 pm

...and here you go:

http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1956.html

Sharmaji · Post by **Sharmaji** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:30 pm

whole tune should work in mono, on the assumption that there's still alot of clubs that only run in mono; if you have to solve things w/ panning, go back and fix your eq'ing and phase. Try to think of panning as an effect, rather than a big part of the tune-- learned this from some old heads who'd recorded disco in the early 80s.

but yeah, sub and kick in mono most definitely. the rest...wiggle room.

sean_demis · Post by **sean_demis** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:39 pm

Battle Gong wrote:yeah, bass and kick MUST b mono, but layered higher freq parts of the bassline can b stereo

ilike that

FSTZ · Post by **FSTZ** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:43 pm

sean_demis wrote:
Battle Gong wrote:yeah, bass and kick MUST b mono, but layered higher freq parts of the bassline can b stereo
ilike that

quoted 4 troof

citizensnipz · Post by **citizensnipz** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:02 pm

TeReKeTe wrote:whole tune should work in mono, on the assumption that there's still alot of clubs that only run in mono; if you have to solve things w/ panning, go back and fix your eq'ing and phase. Try to think of panning as an effect, rather than a big part of the tune-- learned this from some old heads who'd recorded disco in the early 80s.

but yeah, sub and kick in mono most definitely. the rest...wiggle room.

good advice

decklyn · Post by **decklyn** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 5:40 pm

absolutely.

Cut your bases up and layer them for a sense of stereo depth but with centered mono bass freqs.

for example:

In kontakt I tend to run at least three samples on the same input channel when making bass. I run a sine completely mono to make the subs rattle (centered). Usually a bandpassed waveform (detuned saws, squares, or hypersaturated sine) around 200hz with modulation on the freq. Usually keep it pretty centered, but I'll add some phasing and flanging on this. Then I'll drop in the identical waveform and highpass or bp it at a higher frequency range. This one I'll add delay or reverb or delay on reverb or reverb on delay. Lately I'm feeling detuned saws (ie reece) with reverb on the higher portion. While it sounds like a methodology, I just experiment and twist knobs and shit until it sounds massive. It usually ends up something like that method though.

The overall impression is of one behemoth instrument that covers all the frequencies, but it's actually many layers.

for an example - check the bass on the later half - the reecy one not the distorted squibble (although that is two layers as well)

http://www.mediafire.com/?2x3xdemwxz8

efa · Post by **efa** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:22 am

If you plan to cut the tune, bass in mono!

http://www.vinylcarvers.com/faq.html#10

sonictrauma · Post by **sonictrauma** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 11:17 am

Yeah, when vinyl is cut, the mastering process usual involves making anything below 300Hz into a mono signal.

Also, most club sound systems are run in mono (as u can get more power by bridging the amp).

sequethin · Post by **sequethin** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 7:55 pm

so wait a minute... my friend who went to audio engineering school always gets on me about panning. pan pan pan he's always saying. I admit that on a stereo system things sound good spread out (not bass). I never really thought about the stereo effect at a club... is all of this panning just for naught then?

Of course 100% of my tunes right now are strictly for my ipod or w/e (where they sound great in stereo and pretty boring in mono) but in the event that I make something that ends up at a club... this is something I never considered. Come to think of it when I'm at a club I haven't ever really thought about whether the sound was in stereo or not...

I'm glad this forum is here...

somejerk · Post by **somejerk** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:10 pm

40 - 150hz (or so) = mono

200hz and up = stereo, especially if using flanger or phasing

efa · Post by **efa** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 1:46 am

SonicTrauma wrote:Yeah, when vinyl is cut, the mastering process usual involves making anything below 300Hz into a mono signal.

Also, most club sound systems are run in mono (as u can get more power by bridging the amp).

Really? Not according to that cutting house. Stereo bass causes the cutting stylus to move up and down, this is bad!

Why is it so important for mixes to be in phase and the bass being in mono?

Phase is more or less irrelevant to cd but for best quality vinyl cutting it’s very important.

If the mix is in phase, the cutter stylus will move from left to right - if the mix is out of phase it causes the stylus to move up and down. Too much up and down movement will produce a groove that's too shallow or interrupted. This will cause the playback needle to jump.

Especially the bottom end is very critical. If the bass is in stereo, the cutter stylus will leave the surface of the record – the plate will be unusable.

MARCHMELLOW · Post by **MARCHMELLOW** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:11 am

so, if you used alot of panning to create space you mix, for example - strings panned slghtly left, vocal panned slightly right, would these two tracks not become alot less prominent when the whole track is mixed to mono?

useful thread so far!

auan · Post by **auan** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:19 am

No, because of that -3dB panning law, kinda.

Say you had a bassline that is pretty constant at 0dB on the mixer, panned centre. This actually comes out of the left and right speakers at -3dB each. the two -3dB sounds combine in your brain to be interpreted as a 0dB sound, panned centre. If you take that bassline and pan it hard left, then it doesn't come out of the right speaker at all (duh) but comes out of the left at 0dB. Same if you pan it hard right. So the perceived sound level (in your brain) never changes, but the actual signal levels at the speakers do.

Therefore...

If something is at 0dB in the mixer, then it's at 0dB. Full stop. And it isn't getting any louder or quieter no matter where it is in the stereo field.

sean_demis · Post by **sean_demis** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:16 am

unklefesta wrote:
sean_demis wrote:
Battle Gong wrote:yeah, bass and kick MUST b mono, but layered higher freq parts of the bassline can b stereo
ilike that

quoted 4 troof

i'm supprised you didn't correct my spelling of stereo (stero) in the thread title....

Basslines- mono or stero?

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