vegetarians...

efa · Post by **efa** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:58 pm

This is what I'm saying, you can eat meat and not trade in the dodgy shit, speak to your butcher, go to a farm shop make sure you don't fund the evil trade in poorly kept animals, not cool!

Surely you don't eat meat every day Grand ( I know PPL who do and its not a good idea IMHO)? If not then its a luxury purchase - get the best free range meat you can find, It'll taste better and you'll be safe in the knowledge it was happy whilst it was here and wont have any dodgy chemicals in it.

Although I see where Perks coming from not all people are aware of what goes on and being so harsh on them is not going to help, present the facts and see what happens.

perkalerk215 · Post by **perkalerk215** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:59 pm

EFA wrote:This is what I'm saying, you can eat meat and not trade in the dodgy shit, speak to your butcher, go to a farm shop make sure you don't fund the evil trade in poorly kept animals, not cool!

Surely you don't eat meat every day Grand ( I know PPL who do and its not a good idea IMHO)? If not then its a luxury purchase - get the best free range meat you can find, It'll taste better and you'll be safe in the knowledge it was happy whilst it was here and wont have any dodgy chemicals in it.

Although I see where Perks coming from not all people are aware of what goes on and being so harsh on them is not going to help, present the facts and see what happens.

im trying.

two oh one · Post by **two oh one** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:13 pm

I stopped eating fast food after I read Fast Food Nation.

Later on, I stopped eating meat (after a free range stint) when I realised that I couldn't possibly bring myself to go out and kill what I was eating. It's alright having meat in nice little packages, or having snooty waiters bringing me delicious meats, but at the end of the day, I was just a consumer who was totally and willfully ignorant as to how this stuff had arrived on my plate.

The atrocities going on with the whole factory farming thing were always at the back of my head, but I was ignoring it. After all, what I was eating was a far cry from what was happening on the kill floor, right?

I can't say that I absolutely love being a vege (The smell of nicely cooked meat still makes me hungry) but it's a 'sacrifice' I'm willing to make. I feel healthier, my shit doesn't stink (quite literally!) and I feel more at peace with myself on ethical grounds.

I fully support carrot eating, as long as they're put out of their misery ethically.

parson · Post by **parson** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:45 pm

what two oh one said ^

and regarding carrots, some people actually do feel it is immoral to eat roots because it destroys a whole plant

thats not one i'm willing to face right now but i'm starting to get this uncomfortable nagging in the back of my conscience about it

drew · Post by **drew** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:22 pm

vegetarian for 11 years now, vegan for the last 3 years

I love it, I can't imagine ever going back. Meat doesnt even look like food to me anymore, seeing someone eat a steak looks like someone eating an old shoe.

My uncle turned me on to vegetarianism when I was about 12. He's a semi-famous animal rights activist, one of the smartest people I know too. It was thanksgiving at grandma's place, and he showed me a copy of Diet For A New America by John Robbins, and it forever changed my thinking. By the time I was 16, I made the choice to stick with it.

I've eaten meat on accident about 4-5 different times since then, and I actually became ill. I dont think my stomach produces the acid's to digest meat.

Anyways, big up the vegetarians. I am not one to preach my beliefs on everyone else, but if you are considering becoming a vegetarian/vegan - hit me up, I'd be happy to share info.

two oh one · Post by **two oh one** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:37 pm

Parson wrote:what two oh one said ^

and regarding carrots, some people actually do feel it is immoral to eat roots because it destroys a whole plant

thats not one i'm willing to face right now but i'm starting to get this uncomfortable nagging in the back of my conscience about it

Yeah, that's interesting. There are folk who will only eat fruit that has fallen, too.

I'm thinking of becoming a mineralarian at some point.

two oh one · Post by **two oh one** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:41 pm

drew wrote:vegetarian for 11 years now, vegan for the last 3 years

I love it, I can't imagine ever going back. Meat doesnt even look like food to me anymore, seeing someone eat a steak looks like someone eating an old shoe.

My uncle turned me on to vegetarianism when I was about 12. He's a semi-famous animal rights activist, one of the smartest people I know too. It was thanksgiving at grandma's place, and he showed me a copy of Diet For A New America by John Robbins, and it forever changed my thinking. By the time I was 16, I made the choice to stick with it.

I've eaten meat on accident about 4-5 different times since then, and I actually became ill. I dont think my stomach produces the acid's to digest meat.

Anyways, big up the vegetarians. I am not one to preach my beliefs on everyone else, but if you are considering becoming a vegetarian/vegan - hit me up, I'd be happy to share info.

I've accidentally eaten meat on a couple of occasions. Funnily enough, it was that shit restaurant that Gordon Ramsay investigated in Toluca lake. I was rather pissed with them and gave them a good shouting at. I felt physically sick.

LA seems to be a place that it's easier to be a vege in. A lot of good restaurants. Bulan Thai is great, but I'm always open to finding more places to eat.

perkalerk215 · Post by **perkalerk215** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:51 pm

two oh one wrote:I stopped eating fast food after I read Fast Food Nation.

Later on, I stopped eating meat (after a free range stint) when I realised that I couldn't possibly bring myself to go out and kill what I was eating. It's alright having meat in nice little packages, or having snooty waiters bringing me delicious meats, but at the end of the day, I was just a consumer who was totally and willfully ignorant as to how this stuff had arrived on my plate.

The atrocities going on with the whole factory farming thing were always at the back of my head, but I was ignoring it. After all, what I was eating was a far cry from what was happening on the kill floor, right?

I can't say that I absolutely love being a vege (The smell of nicely cooked meat still makes me hungry) but it's a 'sacrifice' I'm willing to make. I feel healthier, my shit doesn't stink (quite literally!) and I feel more at peace with myself on ethical grounds.

I fully support carrot eating, as long as they're put out of their misery ethically.

thanks for sharing your experience with us...and sharing to the people who havent come to this realization yet that yes you still like meat. you prob wouldnt mind eating it....its the guilt that you feel now for being so selfish.

as a matter of fact, this brings up another point...

how is it that meat eaters are usually pet owners. they have their dogs or cat or even fish....and yet they sit down every day to a plate full of dead animal they cooked to their taste. they have NO idea where it came from or how it got to the market or what process it went through. they just think..."hmm this tastes yummy!" and they stuff their face of it. but then they go pet their dog or cat or whatever they have and i can guarantee if anyone licked their chops and tortured your dog or your cat and fed it nasty chemicals and growth hormones and then kicked it around in a small room for a few months till it was fat enough to then take it to the backyard and tie it up so it couldnt move and slit its throat or shock it or something....i can guarantee you wouldnt be happy.

so my question is what the fuck is wrong with you if you feel ok going to sleep every night knowing you just ate an animal but still have SO much love for that dog or that cat or hampster, etc...how does that work?

really.

im not into preaching. im really venting. i dont push this on anyone, but i simply inform them of their choice. you feel guilty or tell me to stop , its obviously something you realize and the fact you realize its wrong, yet still continue to make choices of eating it....well...that just shows who you really are...

call me a hippie. whatever. i just have a love for animals. i have a love for life. i dont like knowing animals are being treated unfairly. and till the day i die, i know ill feel the same way. and try my hardest to at least spread the word. NOT push it on everyone. simply educate people. if you ask(and yes the most annoying shit ever is being asked over and over and over, "why dont you eat meat? what do you eat then?" as if meats the only food on this earth!), then im gonna tell you...

and likewise...anyone looking for more info, hit me up. ill help you out or inform you or give you links to go look info up about everything discussed here...

RubiconMan · Post by **RubiconMan** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:57 pm

out to all you lot with your heads screwed on.
ps. good rant perk

badger · Post by **badger** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:04 pm

i wish i could turn veggie i think its a really noble thing to do. but to be i don't think i could right now, maybe in the future

perkalerk215 wrote:how is it that meat eaters are usually pet owners. they have their dogs or cat or even fish....and yet they sit down every day to a plate full of dead animal they cooked to their taste. they have NO idea where it came from or how it got to the market or what process it went through. they just think..."hmm this tastes yummy!" and they stuff their face of it. but then they go pet their dog or cat or whatever they have and i can guarantee if anyone licked their chops and tortured your dog or your cat and fed it nasty chemicals and growth hormones and then kicked it around in a small room for a few months till it was fat enough to then take it to the backyard and tie it up so it couldnt move and slit its throat or shock it or something....i can guarantee you wouldnt be happy.

so my question is what the fuck is wrong with you if you feel ok going to sleep every night knowing you just ate an animal but still have SO much love for that dog or that cat or hampster, etc...how does that work?

this made raised a question for me. what's your stand on giving meat based pet food to your cat/dog? i mean are there even any other alternatives other than to make it yourself? and i doubt a cat would understand that it's making a noble sacrifice to save other animals and would want to eat meat
not trying to be argumentative or anything, just wondered what your opinion was

parson · Post by **parson** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:09 pm

there isn't very much actual meat in most catfood

badger · Post by **badger** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:10 pm

heh yeah that's probably true. still not entirely vegetarian though

phaelon · Post by **phaelon** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:41 pm

meat makes me happy.

parson · Post by **parson** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:17 pm

cats are allowed to have meat though

cats aren't raping the planet

humans eating meat is an unnecessary and highly destructive indulgence that we can't afford really as a global community

parson · Post by **parson** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:20 pm

also my personal belief is that once you shed this particular indoctrination it makes it easier to identify and reassess other ridiculous beliefs one may or may not have as a result of unnatural programming

showguns · Post by **showguns** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:49 pm

if a cow or chicken could eat me i bet she would.

showguns · Post by **showguns** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:51 pm

Parson wrote:there isn't very much actual meat in most catfood

there isnt even much actual food in catfood. that shit is worse than factory slaughtered cow.

parson · Post by **parson** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:06 pm

i changed to this all natural brand of catfood that you can only get at the health food store because my friend who works there had a few free bags of it and my cats loved it so much that they decided they don't like the regular catfood which is the only kind i have regular acces to.

it really sucks. its been like 3 months and they're just barely starting to eat a normal amount of food again. i wish i could afford to get the stuff from the health food store but its so far away and unless i have steady access to it i don't wanna put them through the switch again

dom · Post by **dom** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:18 pm

Ive been Vedge from the age of 7- im 24 now and I'll never go back. Meat isnt even food to me any more. No matter how hungry I am im never tempted.

tempest · Post by **tempest** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:52 pm

Interesting views here... Not sure myself, i like meat and believe in it's nutritional value. Though you guys make some good points...

Maybe im just brainwashed enough to give myself a load of excuses why it's alright. And looking at nature, it does seem 'natural' to eat meat... tho breeding and rounding up cows killing a fuckload and shipping them to supermarkets takes out the natural aspect...

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