Scratching over dubstep??

time · Post by **time** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:47 am

what you think of this? good idea or not gunna run in the dance?

curious because ive got some shows coming up. im ok at cutting but not sure whether I should bust out some moves.

you can hear my cuts over the intro to Jeet Kune Do in the player (hit the sig)

safe

lkewis · Post by **lkewis** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:33 am

I have recently began learning to scratch as I think it adds to the many skills of DJ'ing, but only currently know a few techniques which I use to cut in samples, drum loops / hits and melodies from tracks I am mixing in to make my mixes sound more creative and technical.

I assume you're at a good level of ability so you're talking about scratching vocals and scratch sample vinyl's over lengths of the track?

The way I personally view scratching is similar to MC'ing in that there is a fine line between what can aid the music and what can be too overpowering, but I guess at the end of the day its up to individual taste. I know a few friends of mine that add small sections of scratching over a variety of genres including dubstep, and it always adds to the entertainment value of a performance which is what DJ'ing should be about, aslong as its not abused.

boomnoise · Post by **boomnoise** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:49 am

see here:

http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t ... scratching

dubstepper · Post by **dubstepper** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:53 pm

TIME wrote:what you think of this? good idea or not gunna run in the dance?

curious because ive got some shows coming up. im ok at cutting but not sure whether I should bust out some moves.

you can hear my cuts over the intro to Jeet Kune Do in the player (hit the sig)

safe

Yes m8 i think its deffinatly a good idea, i scratch a bit im not great but im not bad, i mean if your pretty good then go for it, i like to scratch caspas mix of bring the lights down and a few others plus i got a pioneer djm600 so scratching with say the echo effect on can give some really impressive sounding results, just like some1 else mentiioned to much scratching can sound too much. But when you hear some1 whos a master at scratching it sounds so so bliss

joe muggs · Post by **joe muggs** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:51 pm

Yeah I'm with the consensus - dubstep more than anything else requires restraint, so it's really important that it's done with the right samples and at exactly the right places. I'd be interested to see what could be done by someone adept at beat-juggling, in terms of stretching out intros and the tease bit before bass drops etc.

I reckon you have it pretty spot on with your stuff, TIME - for anyone that didn't catch his 'Theatre Earth' free album download I highly recommend it for a brilliantly structured album of tracks tied together with some tidy scratching. http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=35646

sully_shanks · Post by **sully_shanks** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:05 pm

lone wolf n nozl are fellas u wanna check out...

dont think it would always work, with the minimal/tech stuff it would just be wrong, but the rougher more ardcore styles most defintely!!

ytee · Post by **ytee** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:34 pm

I say no until someone impresses me.

time · Post by **time** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:37 pm

boomnoise wrote:see here:

http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t ... scratching

Thanks for the heads up, interesting thread.

spiro · Post by **spiro** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:43 pm

I have tried to get some feedback on this mix . . .
not much luck yet . . .

HOW DOES THIS WORK ?
http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t ... light=deck

two hour live show, 4 turntables, SHIT-CITY-TEKK vs WRISTS OF FURY out of Oslo . . .
Im not the one scratching, but some places I really think it gives more to the mix . . .

thoughts ?

fused_forces · Post by **fused_forces** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:50 pm

scratch perverts played sum dubstep in their set on friday at fabric, needless to say it sounded sick an they scratch an cut tunes to bits.

Scratching an juggling works well wiv any music, go see the dmc championships an u shall see if your a non believer

time · Post by **time** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:50 pm

lkewis - yeah im ok at scratching, capable. I deff hear you on the it can be over powering point.. i mean i wouldnt do solo cuts all the way through a track, that would be insane, im jus talking nice reverb effected bits over intros. Also layering scratched sounds with a loop peddle, say scratching is some sub over an allready scratched layered synth & drum work out. that sort of thing anyway.

ytee - watch this space.

Thanks for the kind words Joe

hope people dont sleep on this. and to anyone who dl'ed the album and liked im working on a follow up that will be ready in a month or so and will be bigger louder heavier have even more skank and even more & nicer scratching! ha

Peace out

high rankin · Post by **high rankin** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:53 pm

ytee wrote:I say no until someone impresses me.

spiro · Post by **spiro** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:01 pm

high rankin wrote:
ytee wrote:I say no until someone impresses me.

You had a listen and didnt like it ?
Too un-tight ? too much ? too loud?
or just not that fond of scratching ?

time · Post by **time** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:03 pm

spiro wrote:I have tried to get some feedback on this mix . . .
not much luck yet . . .

HOW DOES THIS WORK ?
http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t ... light=deck

two hour live show, 4 turntables, SHIT-CITY-TEKK vs WRISTS OF FURY out of Oslo . . .
Im not the one scratching, but some places I really think it gives more to the mix . . .

thoughts ?

Ill have a listen to this later and get back to you with what I think. safe

time · Post by **time** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:05 pm

high rankin wrote:
ytee wrote:I say no until someone impresses me.

what would it take to impress?

high rankin · Post by **high rankin** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:17 pm

I would like to feel baby gravy run down my leg.

There are only a few people who can make scrathing sound good over dnb e.g. Craze, JFB, the Scrath perverts and i think dubstep would be even harder.

I think if perhaps you used a delay unit as well and the scratching was quite minimal and not with the same old boring scratch samples it could be quite good.

hmmmm

time · Post by **time** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:47 pm

Dubstep is nicer to scratch over than d&b and alot easier to. well thats how I find it.

Is there anyone doing live dubstep useing a turntable, effects and a loop pedal out there?

presha · Post by **presha** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:47 pm

Anyone who wants more of Time's scratching can go here http://www.myspace.com/jimipresha
& check out the cuts at the end of 'Digital Symbolism' this is Time's & my (Jimi Presha) hip hop project. Also worth noting for those familiar with 'Theatre Earth' there is a vocal version of 'Shredder' on my page,

__________ · Post by **__________** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:00 pm

TIME wrote:
high rankin wrote:
ytee wrote:I say no until someone impresses me.

what would it take to impress?

skream/burial/plastician doing it?

i'm all for scratching over any type of music. people that say it won't work can fuck off. turntablists ALWAYS find a way for it to work!

you can't say how amazing and innovative dubstep is and then tell people they can't scratch over it because it ''just won't work'' and it will ''sound shit''.

i think its a good idea. i've tried it a few times and it can definately work. not heard anyone with proper mindblowing skills do it yet though...

lone wolf · Post by **lone wolf** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:15 pm

I've posted about this subject before, but I'll say it again. As much as my love/hate affair with scratching goes, it could be done really or well, or really badly.

http://www.myspace.com/kirkylonewolf

listen to "say that you were mine" which is at the bottom of the player (listen to late night cuts at the top for some freestlye practice cuts

. When Nat King Coles comes in there are about 6 or 7 scratched layers. His vocals and a few different string parts. That is on productions though...

To be honest, unless you can bring the fonk, and subtly at that, I wouldn't even bother doing any cutting over derbstep in a live situation. I think you'd have to be a top (and I mean top) scratcher to get away with it... even then I reckon it would proly need some reverb or delay to soften it up a bit. Gunkhole style.

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