Dubstep joins DnB down a dead end alley

[shonky]

Deep



or incredibly sarcastic, so difficult to tell in these post-ironic times

what? isn't this whole thread a piss-take?

esp the bit in the beginning about not being able to find any similar threads

Come on it's been at least a month since the last one.

[struktur]

at the end of the day you like what you like.

I myself have a shameful collection of early jump-up dnb records that I wish I never brought, but they opened me up to more experimental as the formulas got too restrained and tired. I'd find myself in soho every week digging in the crates for old Headz, Reinforced and Cert18... and as I've got older I learnt to understand we're not all the same. I've still got friends who come round and tell me to stop listening to my rubbish 'garage' when all it is, is a Burial CD.

If a funny old world, but it wouldn't be the same if we all liked the same thing. I'm open to the directions and possibilities dubstep can take as now dnb is coming full circle for me. Its having a 10 year turn-around where the music is slowly being stripped back and going back to basic elements; much like a lot of the good dubstep thats around at the moment is. And it's all good!

I'd say the dubstep genre is becoming more and more saturated.. alot of 001 appearing of late.. but its not a bad thing. I see this with dnb day in day out and the kids love it. So if us old blokes ain't feeling it.. leave it to kids to sift through and get bored of - as they will only progress and learn from it...

don't get me wrong I"m still very protective of my opinions on what dnb and dubstep is.. but at the end of the day you like what you like. People will take what they want from it. We live in a sampling culture where we demands things quickly... like fast food it'll satisfy you for a while but your soon progress to higher expectations.

[datura]

[John Locke]

the "man."

god i love that expression, jealous u managed to squeeze into that sentence so beautifully


edit; and kaizen, good post

[joe muggs]

The fact that there is guaranteed to be a flood of formulaic music when a genre gets popular does NOT mean inspiration has run dry. There are more creative producers too! Oh boo hoo you have to make some effort to find the good stuff - that doesn't mean it isn't there.

[pete_bubonic]

First off, someone link me to some Bristol stuff.

http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=36877

A mix of all bristol with some of the best producers about in it.
01. Intro
02. Gemmy - Back 2 the Future <Unreleased>
03. Koast - Koast is Clear <Unreleased>
04. Joker - Retro Racer <Unreleased>
05. Komonazmuk & Whiteboi - Shankstep <Mode>
06. Headhunter - Sushi Brain <Tempa>
07. Joker - Snake Eater <Unreleased>
08. Diem - Sitar Dub <Immerse>
09. Gatekeeper & Appleblim - Tomb <SkullDisco>
10. Headhunter - New Dawn <Unreleased>
11. Forsaken - Sensei <Unreleased>
12. Pinch - Qawaali <PlanetMu>
13. Gatekeeper - Tense Past <PunchDrunk>
14. Wascal - Protocol V2 <Unreleased>
15. RSD - Pretty Bright Lights <PunchDrunk>
16. Monkeysteak - Lighthouse Dub <PunchDrunk>
17. Forsaken feat. Ben Blackmore - Sagrada <Unreleased>
18. Peverelist - Roll With The Punches <PunchDrunk>
19. Peverelist - Infinity is Now <Unreleased>
20. Forsaken feat. Ben Blackmore - Calles Traseras <Unreleased>
21. Appleblim & Peverelist - Circling <Unreleased>
22. Forsaken - Boat Noodles <PunchDrunk>


People into the more musical/complex sounds are always going to feel like no-one cares because it's the more accessible party tunes that will always get the most hype (unless it's classic timeless stuff). Anyone who really whinges about there not being enough deeper stuff out there isn't looking hard enough:

Peverelist
Quark and Ruckspin
Eleven Tigers
2562
Martyn
Pinch
Shackleton
GateKeeper
TRG
Panaea
the list goes on and on...

[shonky]

I don't think this was an anti-wobble "where's the deep stuff" thread Pete.

[rickyricardo]

dubstep didn't start getting weak till the iron fist started tightening around here

our creativity is being censored on the board, and it's being reflected by us being scared to do anything new and shocking in fear of being reprimanded by the "man."

when no one gave a fuck about what anyone said is when the best tunes were being made.

think about that...

LOL

I think you give the board a little too much credit.

[rickyricardo]

This thread reminds me of the phrase: "Everything that's new will be old, again and again"

[south3rn]

dubstep didn't start getting weak till the iron fist started tightening around here

our creativity is being censored on the board, and it's being reflected by us being scared to do anything new and shocking in fear of being reprimanded by the "man."

when no one gave a fuck about what anyone said is when the best tunes were being made.

think about that...

LOL

I think you give the board a little too much credit.

the people who make the best music (myself excluded ) barely even use the board

but then again there's lots of people making terrible music that's getting released and they don't use the board either.

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I don't think this was an anti-wobble "where's the deep stuff" thread Pete.

Fucking right it wasn't, & I started it despite misgivings having seen the typical forum behaviour on here of people dropping in with derisory remarks without having bothered to read the thread, and the impersonal nature of forums & the internet giving people free reign to flame others from all sides just for having an opinion and or starting a potentially interesting discussion.

if this is covering old ground & you're above it then why are you back here treading it? Just go elsewhere, ignore it.

The fact that there is guaranteed to be a flood of formulaic music when a genre gets popular does NOT mean inspiration has run dry. There are more creative producers too! Oh boo hoo you have to make some effort to find the good stuff - that doesn't mean it isn't there.

And with the above I'm done,WHO said inspirations run dry...jesus (READ the thread B4 Posting) as a relative newcomer I had misgivings about venturing a thread, but the question i posed at the beginning has been nagging at me of late, I'd hoped for a bit more. Those who contributed sensible discussion in a measured adult fashion thankyou, (please refer to Overcast Radio’s contribution. And thanx again man, enjoy digging around in the brizzle sound!)

My first and last attempt to start a discussion and perhaps get those with similar musical background and/or differing perspectives to pitch in, i was just curious, it wont happen again. Thanks guys.

what? isn't this whole thread a piss-take?

esp the bit in the beginning about not being able to find any similar threads

Apologies for not digging deeper & clogging up the forum with familiar territory. Have fun with the remainder of this thread people.

[shonky]

My first and last attempt to start a discussion and perhaps get those with similar back ground and/or differing perspectives to pitch in, i was just curious, it wont happen again. Thanks guys.

Ah man, these are the sort of threads that I generally find more interesting to be honest, don't let the sarky fuckers put you off

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My first and last attempt to start a discussion and perhaps get those with similar back ground and/or differing perspectives to pitch in, i was just curious, it wont happen again. Thanks guys.

Ah man, these are the sort of threads that I generally find more interesting to be honest, don't let the sarky fuckers put you off

Oh no worries, I love it. In closing, i was finding threads like "what clothes do people who are into dubstep wearing"... Jesus wept...

I mean...come on... this topic warrants some discussion as opposed to threads like the above. Anyhow, got what i came for, & realised that the old adage about arguing on the internet being like running in the special olympics is true...

[joe muggs]

Sorry that sounded sarky, I was just hung over. Don't let that put you off... the debate on this site does get "lively" but you can't take it personal!

But I do think that creativity is rife, there is nothing LIKE the retreat into limiting the rhythmic variation of the sound that happened to d&b circa 1996/7. Yep there are imitators making bare plodding wobblers but when you've got prople like 2562, Peverelist - and loads of great unreleased producers like Fnordy and Asusu (just to name new people I've heard in the last 2 months alone) - pushing the spacious/electronica sound in new directions, Caspa & Rusko taking the lairy side of things as far as possible, and a load of people doing interesting stuff with varied and unorthodox vocals at the moment... not to mention total one-offs on the fringes of dubstep like Cloaks, Geiom, Shackleton, The Bug, Kode 9 and such.

One of the vital reasons D&B lost it for me was losing touch with the importance of sub bass, something which I personally blame on cocaine taking over as the dominant drug (dunno why but in ANY style of music, masses of chisel makes people turn the treble right up) - and that's something that dubstep is unlikely to do because the dub/soundsystem element to it is right there in its make up.

Of course the real answer if you feel that not enough people are making the innovative stuff is "fire up the PC and get making the tracks you want to hear!"

[John Locke]

yeah, but i'd leave off on the patriotism though. never attractive, whatever form it takes

How so?

Musically, England has got so much to be proud of, think it would be silly to disregard that because you dont wanna come over as some flag waving idiot.

i'll give u a reading list if u r really interested

[shonky]

Of course the real answer if you feel that not enough people are making the innovative stuff is "fire up the PC and get making the tracks you want to hear!"

Like suicide and nudity, this idea never occurs to the people you wish it would

[sines]

What was the name of this thread last week and the week before that and the week before that one?

[pete_bubonic]

I don't think this was an anti-wobble "where's the deep stuff" thread Pete.

No but isn't a 'where's all the love for the deeper stuff' thread?

[shonky]

I don't think this was an anti-wobble "where's the deep stuff" thread Pete.

No but isn't a 'where's all the love for the deeper stuff' thread?

Don't believe so, no.

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No-one's saying "where's the love for the deeper stuff"
No-one's saying "anti wobble"
No-one's whingeing "i cant find any good dubstep at the mo"

My bank account starts haemorrhaging cash everytime i look at BoomKat or Juno or whatever, there is SO much good stuff out there it HURTS, and its showing no signs of letting up!!

I dont allow myself to look at these sites some days!!!

I just wanted to get the thoughts of those who have similar musical backgrounds to myself on parralels between the way this music is headed and the way DnB headed off in the past. But that all got lost somewhere.

If one of these threads pops up every week then what does that tell you? Its pertinent and its on peoples minds and they want to discuss it, and why not? isn't that what forums are FOR?

Thats all, please, please, read the thread before jumping down peoples throats