Would dubstep benefit from not having subgenres at all?

Jubz · Post by **Jubz** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:51 pm

Dubstep would benefit from less pointless speculation about where it's going, where it's been and what needs to happen within it.

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:55 pm

Jubscarz wrote:Dubstep would benefit from less pointless speculation about where it's going, where it's been and what needs to happen within it.

And then what would we do?

I'd like more info on who's been seen out and about with dubstep, how dubstep lost weight after giving birth, is dubstep on heroin, which restaurants dubstep eats in, and far more pics of dubstep rolling out of a club at 4am and starting a fight with paparazzi.

dubstep_warrior · Post by **dubstep_warrior** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:07 pm

Shonky wrote:
Jubscarz wrote:Dubstep would benefit from less pointless speculation about where it's going, where it's been and what needs to happen within it.
And then what would we do?

I'd like more info on who's been seen out and about with dubstep, how dubstep lost weight after giving birth, is dubstep on heroin, which restaurants dubstep eats in, and far more pics of dubstep rolling out of a club at 4am and starting a fight with paparazzi.

dubsteps on crack...

allegedly...

manray · Post by **manray** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:21 pm

Fuck sub-genres man. Dubstep is dubstep as far as i'm concerned. Don't start talking shit about corestep or fucking dubmetal or whatever.

dj klaim · Post by **dj klaim** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:33 pm

No sub-genres please. I've seen that sort of shit mess up too many scenes.

sully_shanks · Post by **sully_shanks** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:38 pm

Shonky wrote:Why not fuck off genres altogether and just play the good stuff from across the board?

I know it's crazy but it might just work

u might be onto something there!

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:43 pm

sully_shanks wrote:
Shonky wrote:Why not fuck off genres altogether and just play the good stuff from across the board?

I know it's crazy but it might just work

u might be onto something there!

Well if you look at the beginning of house music (say the Balearic era) people were playing Jungle Brothers with Happy Mondays with Sueno Latino - I do find genres a bit restrictive to be honest.

tempest · Post by **tempest** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:51 am

Dubsteps fighting for custody of my child

jred · Post by **jred** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:29 am

ThinKing wrote:i wasn't aware of any 'sub-genres' in dubstep, breakstep perhaps - although that terms predates dubstep by a few years anyway...

don't really think we're at that point, but if it happens there ain't much we can do to stop it.

this pretty much exactly what i was thinking

freqone · Post by **freqone** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:29 am

threnody wrote:Why go as far as calling it dubstep?

this may have been sarcasm, but given the content of thread,,then threnody is asking the right question.

threnody · Post by **threnody** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:55 am

It was semi tongue in cheek.... I do think that for all this talk of no sub-genres (as they are the evil work of the media and a divisive curse...or whatever!!) people have all bought into the idea of genres anyway by insisting that dubstep is dubstep and nothing else can describe beats at 140bpm with sub.

Why should people catorgarise my beats or shonky's beats or Toasty's beats or sully's beats or oyaarss' beats etc....as dubstep? True producers just make the music they feel and anyone setting out to make 'dubstep' is falling into the trap of making music to sound like something and not themselves.

The 140bpm rule is getting applied less and less these days. From just the producers i mentioned above there is a tempo range from
120-155bpm. People doing their own thing aren't buying into any genre, sub-genre or whatever it is just the audience who feel they have ownership of other people's beats and will fiercely say that the music belongs to 'their' genre as it is roughly 140bpm and has sub.

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:07 am

If anything, people should be spreading their musical nets further, bring in some broken beat, some jungle, some jazz even.

joe muggs · Post by **joe muggs** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:40 am

two oh one wrote:I agree, Citizen.

United we stand, innit?

All it takes is a journalist to nonchalantly coin an arbitrary new sub genre and the sheepies are all over it.

140 + Big arse bass + whatever sprinkles you fancy =Dubstep.

Oh I'll cancel that good review of your Forensics remix shall I then?

Seriously that's a rubbish argument that I've heard in so many scenes... just look at the evidence - this board contains FAR more discussion of the different styles within dubstep, from punters and producers, than does any journalists' articles I've read!

I think Shonky's nailed it tho... keep it MASSIVELY diverse: as Benga puts it "dubstep keeps moving and moving". Instead of just "deep", "dark" and "wobbly" stuff, we want "rolling" tunes and "jazzy" tunes and "junglist" tunes and "techy" tunes and "spacey" tunes and "housey" tunes and a hundred other descriptors and combinations of all the above... these aren't "sub-genres" - they're just descriptions of individual tunes.... if the music moves faster than the descriptions, then it will remain one step ahead; when you get the point that D&B did with "techstep" / "jump up" / "hardstep" etc then the opportunities for evolution are stifled.

sully_shanks · Post by **sully_shanks** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:08 am

Shonky wrote:
sully_shanks wrote:
Shonky wrote:Why not fuck off genres altogether and just play the good stuff from across the board?

I know it's crazy but it might just work

u might be onto something there!
Well if you look at the beginning of house music (say the Balearic era) people were playing Jungle Brothers with Happy Mondays with Sueno Latino - I do find genres a bit restrictive to be honest.

exactly - styles n sounds developed in the clubs n on the decks as much as in the studio, that is exciting djing

gravious · Post by **gravious** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:12 pm

Shonky wrote:
Jubscarz wrote:Dubstep would benefit from less pointless speculation about where it's going, where it's been and what needs to happen within it.
And then what would we do?

I'd like more info on who's been seen out and about with dubstep, how dubstep lost weight after giving birth, is dubstep on heroin, which restaurants dubstep eats in, and far more pics of dubstep rolling out of a club at 4am and starting a fight with paparazzi.

I think dubstep needs to go to rehab.

I mean, did you see the state of dubstep in those photos that were leaked onto the net?

She was so drunk that she didn't realise she'd flashed her unkempt lady-garden at the cameras as she stepped out the limo.

OMG

corpsey · Post by **corpsey** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:19 pm

Why is dubstep such a fucking slut?

I hate him

threnody · Post by **threnody** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:46 pm

gravious wrote:
She was so drunk that she didn't realise she'd flashed her unkempt lady-garden at the cameras as she stepped out the limo.

I heard it was shaved....

MARCHMELLOW · Post by **MARCHMELLOW** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:49 pm

threnody wrote: Why should people catorgarise my beats or shonky's beats or Toasty's beats or sully's beats or oyaarss' beats etc....as dubstep? True producers just make the music they feel and anyone setting out to make 'dubstep' is falling into the trap of making music to sound like something and not themselves.

well if thats the case, why are we all on this forum?

because we love dubstep. everything needs a name to describe it, and the more of something (dubstep) thats made, the more names ( sub genres ) are gonna have to be created.

don't fight it, don't worry about it.

Littlefoot · Post by **Littlefoot** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:37 pm

ive started calling the bristol stuff minimal dubstep in my head

not in a pigeonholling way, but it describes it perfectly to a mate in a pub!

thomas · Post by **thomas** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:21 pm

Im against, mainly because i cant be arsed naming all the sub-genres i am into when someone askes. I listen to other music, other than Dubstep. If i want to claim a wider music taste, i can talk about them

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