Dubstep Forum Co-operative Label

forensix (mcr) · Post by **forensix (mcr)** » Sun May 07, 2006 11:01 pm

yeah second that im off

ramadanman · Post by **ramadanman** » Sun May 07, 2006 11:01 pm

auralassassin wrote:
ramadanman wrote:i think we should wait till dubway or whoever opens a forum for this co-op, then we can vote etc on names, and strategy.
Does Dubway know that Dubway is going to be doing that? Perhaps we had better let dubway know what dubway is doing

i seem to remember he said he would earlier on in the thread

auralassassin · Post by **auralassassin** » Sun May 07, 2006 11:02 pm

probably did.

bunzer0 · Post by **bunzer0** » Sun May 07, 2006 11:24 pm

big deal....

Post by **dubway** » Mon May 08, 2006 8:38 am

here

http://dubstepforum.com/viewforum.php?f=9

this forum can be set for label members only (in future)

forensix (mcr) · Post by **forensix (mcr)** » Mon May 08, 2006 9:44 am

dubway wrote:here http://dubstepforum.com/viewforum.php?f=9

this forum can be set for label members only (in future)

nice one dubway

8bitwonder · Post by **8bitwonder** » Mon May 08, 2006 10:15 am

i wanna be a part of this big time its a great opportunity and im not afraid of the hard workthat goes into somthin like this..

count me in guys and gals

forensix (mcr) · Post by **forensix (mcr)** » Mon May 08, 2006 10:49 am

me & you both bro

pete_bubonic · Post by **pete_bubonic** » Mon May 08, 2006 12:49 pm

A co-op approach is a great idea, but I fear this may prove more a mission in the long term.

If it does happen, I would recommed against an unknown producer on the first release unless it's an actual timeless classic piece of music, because otherwise people are just not going to buy it. I don't have a lot of knowledge in the label business area, however I am aware some Distrobuters do a P&D deal, where they will press and distrobute your release. Now I would presume these deal are harder to secure than your average distro deal, but obviously certainly more suiting for a more homemade low budget approach of a dubstep co-op.

With regards to the international distrobution, I think primarilly the distrobution should be more of a 500/1000 press run for the uk and uk online shops. yes this limits the amount of countries that will be able to get hold of it, but trying to approach the world with a label is going to be ridiculously expensive. Whereas we can rely more on the online shop such as Rooted, Independance and Boomkat to distorbute worldwide for us.

I also think that should that dubstep forum compilation mix cd ever come to fruitition it would be an excellent product for this co-op label, but unfortunately, I think with the cd taking so long to be produced currently, the tunes on them won't represent where all the producers are currently.

flaviano · Post by **flaviano** » Mon May 08, 2006 12:52 pm

i'm in

ramadanman · Post by **ramadanman** » Mon May 08, 2006 1:16 pm

bubonic some nice thoughts there

i think though if we get enough committed people, it's possible.

protocolx · Post by **protocolx** » Mon May 08, 2006 1:35 pm

i think this could work, but i have a feeling there would be too many chiefs and not enough indians..

1 or 2 peeps need to take control.. but with ££ support from every1

just some of my thoughts..

lucky_strike · Post by **lucky_strike** » Mon May 08, 2006 3:19 pm

ProtocolX wrote:i think this could work, but i have a feeling there would be too many chiefs and not enough indians..

1 or 2 peeps need to take control.. but with ££ support from every1

just some of my thoughts..

spot on bro!!!

i think people should do sum kinda vote for the 2 people who should be in charge!

As far as investment is. hmmm maybe a bank account set up with paypal. used only for the label, records and advertising.

the 2 people who are in charge, really need to be picked well tho! people with the time and experience to do it.

still beleive it should equally push new artists as well as established ones. as this forum is kinda all about new music!

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Mon May 08, 2006 3:25 pm

2 seems too few in my opinion. I think that there needs to be continuity in dealings and a focused team but at the same time i think the graft should be shared as much as is possible really...the intention seems to be to keep it non-profit, so its better if no single person is lumbered with loads of work for little/no financial compensation.

Forensics · Post by **Forensics** » Mon May 08, 2006 4:12 pm

My 2p's worth - reckon two people should co-ordinate tings,
and a bunch of other people should volunteer their services
- designers, websitemakers, promoters, people who can get
cheap pressings, and so on.... I'd be up for pitching in like, &
I'm sure that whoever ends up running it'll end up with more
than enough support to make it a pretty manageable job

auralassassin · Post by **auralassassin** » Mon May 08, 2006 4:14 pm

pete bubonic wrote:A co-op approach is a great idea, but I fear this may prove more a mission in the long term.

If it does happen, I would recommed against an unknown producer on the first release unless it's an actual timeless classic piece of music, because otherwise people are just not going to buy it. I don't have a lot of knowledge in the label business area, however I am aware some Distrobuters do a P&D deal, where they will press and distrobute your release. Now I would presume these deal are harder to secure than your average distro deal, but obviously certainly more suiting for a more homemade low budget approach of a dubstep co-op.

With regards to the international distrobution, I think primarilly the distrobution should be more of a 500/1000 press run for the uk and uk online shops. yes this limits the amount of countries that will be able to get hold of it, but trying to approach the world with a label is going to be ridiculously expensive. Whereas we can rely more on the online shop such as Rooted, Independance and Boomkat to distorbute worldwide for us.

I also think that should that dubstep forum compilation mix cd ever come to fruitition it would be an excellent product for this co-op label, but unfortunately, I think with the cd taking so long to be produced currently, the tunes on them won't represent where all the producers are currently.

Tell you what, Pete... I like your idea of exclusion of one side of the pond.... I hereby request that this is a STATESIDE ONLY label, and that our friend Pete, here has to pay 30 pounds to get one record and see how shit of a deal that really is.

As you can see, it doesn't sound like such a good idea for this to be an only stateside label... in fact, it sounds a bit insulting for me to try and pretend that one side of the pond should get absolute control or sole distributorship, doesn't it?

Yesterday, Keith P was buying records online... he had selected like 10-13 records and was checking out and come to find out, he was being charged $45 US for shipping alone. Needless to say, that was on top of the cost of the records themselves which was probably $130 US... I didn't ask, but can speculate because they were all imports...

almost 200 dollars for 10 records... so he had to put some back.

Which tracks do you think he put back... the ones from the labels he KNEW he liked... or the ones he was going to take a chance on?

Obviously he put the stuff from unheard of labels back, because when it comes to disposable income, you don't really want to take a 30 dollar chance. If those had been records he could have found in a shop stateside, he could have bought 15-20 records for that much money... even at import prices in the shops, you will still save on shipping.

Obviously this is a very big deal for us to get proper stateside distribution. Quite frankly, the UK doesn't need another record label, be it drum n bass, dubstep, house, trance, techno, or pop music... nearly every record I buy is a damn import from the UK. Juno provides no lubrication before they stick me right in the ass and take my money... nobody online does... they don't work with people who are buying 500 dollars worth of records per month to get them good shipping rates... they don't offer free shipping for lining their pockets...

try that one for a few years and see how it suits you.

LAST MONTH, I paid $300 dollars(US) for 20 records. That was a good month.

threnody · Post by **threnody** » Mon May 08, 2006 5:07 pm

Been keeping up with this thread. very interesting idea with the potential to succeed.

My two pence based on what people have said:-

Digital downloads are a good idea. certainly this would cut costs as opposed to records but everyone likes vinyl and wants tracks on vinyl so a combo of both is a good idea. Digi at leasts makes it accessible to all and the committed can always get TPs/Promos if they want the tracks early. I don't think they would eat into vinyl sales much.

I like the Known/Unknown format with a unit shifting track (interglactic..etc) opn the A side and a 'homegrown' track on the flip. The forum mix would be a good place to start as i'm sure people will want a couple of the tracks on vinyl and won't be able to get them anywhere else.

A pyramid structure would work well with 1 person (or a small committee) taking the big decisions then a larger committee voting on certain issues.

I look forward to seeing how this develops.....

ramadanman · Post by **ramadanman** » Mon May 08, 2006 5:12 pm

ah we're getting somewhere.

pryamid structure is a great plan - i support the idea of votes on important issues. i think that the people at the top should be 3-4 people who have the time / commitment / energy / experience to help this to happen.

cede · Post by **cede** » Mon May 08, 2006 8:03 pm

Wait!

Is this now turning into a pyriamid scheme

cede · Post by **cede** » Mon May 08, 2006 8:05 pm

Yeah a committee at the top makes sense for all the specific tasks that require attention and certain levels of responsibility.

We shound maybe nominate people for the committee.

Let's nominate and then vote.

Looks like its election time folks!

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