who is not dubstep ?

marsyas · Post by **marsyas** » Mon May 08, 2006 11:31 pm

J_J wrote:ur name sucks ..

ha ha

j_j · Post by **j_j** » Mon May 08, 2006 11:32 pm

ban him for his name it takes the piss

deapoh · Post by **deapoh** » Mon May 08, 2006 11:33 pm

pollywog wrote:yet I'd also like to know what's wrong with the name pollywog?

think of the words.. don't play dumb cos I find it offensive.

flaviano · Post by **flaviano** » Mon May 08, 2006 11:33 pm

pollywog is an actual word, its not a pisstake, but i can see where people are coming to re: its similarity to what has classicaly been a white supremacist racist insult

deapoh · Post by **deapoh** » Mon May 08, 2006 11:34 pm

struggle wrote:i liked how kode 9 put it in the bbc documentary.

"the thing that's consistent is the subbass. in an ideal world anything goes on top of that."

Very true, i think Dubstep personally is minimal beats, a fat fat bassline and then anything you want. Also distant kinda sounds that make you think and feel things. But thats a personal opinion.

intoccabile · Post by **intoccabile** » Mon May 08, 2006 11:42 pm

I have an hypothesis and a comment.

1. What if dubstep was a new level of musical integration ? What if dubstep was pushing musical integration, around a foundation of sub bass and specific musical conventions ( such as tempo + certain key patterns and elements.... ) further than jungle/ drum and bass ever did ? The two key terms here are : convention and integration !

2. Purism isn't all bad. A certain level of purism is needed, but keep it too pure and it becomes counterproductive ( Examples : neurofunk, new school american ragga-jungle, etc. )

rickyricardo · Post by **rickyricardo** » Mon May 08, 2006 11:47 pm

ahh, the lovely "what is dubstep?" thread.....

my thoughts are that, honestly, it's just not worth thinking about. Dubstep doesn't need a definition, b/c once you start putting up lines, more people feel inclined/compelled to color within them.

And that's boring, imo...

autonomic · Post by **autonomic** » Mon May 08, 2006 11:58 pm

RickyRicardo wrote:ahh, the lovely "what is dubstep?" thread.....

my thoughts are that, honestly, it's just not worth thinking about. Dubstep doesn't need a definition, b/c once you start putting up lines, more people feel inclined/compelled to color within them.

And that's boring, imo...

yes! good good! let's move on now before people start forming committees

whitebait · Post by **whitebait** » Tue May 09, 2006 12:23 am

pollywog - http://encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/pollywog
gollywog - http://www.tourisminternet.com.au/chgolly.htm
ok i got it

and in our crew we got caucasians, a polynesian and an asian, they think its a funny name and a couple of em don't even know what a gollywog is. Them things was bit before our time

I hoped this thread wouldn't be about what is dubstep but who is not and who decides? Plastician says he's not but that japan tune sounds more like sinodub than grime. Maybe that's it, the producers themselves decide what genre they are.

kuma · Post by **kuma** » Tue May 09, 2006 1:00 am

autonomic wrote:
RickyRicardo wrote:ahh, the lovely "what is dubstep?" thread.....

my thoughts are that, honestly, it's just not worth thinking about. Dubstep doesn't need a definition, b/c once you start putting up lines, more people feel inclined/compelled to color within them.

And that's boring, imo...
yes! good good! let's move on now before people start forming committees

but who's going to decide what kind of cake we have at the homecoming dance?

plastician · Post by **plastician** » Tue May 09, 2006 1:01 am

I have always said I don't make dubstep - I've had a go on a couple of tracks but I like to think my sound is more grime influenced - I just try to make it sound original and sometimes in grime, being original means you're not meeting the boundaries of the genre - hence my music often being labelled as dubstep or "fwd beats" (which is a stupid tag).

Although Japan works nicely in a dubbier set, I made it with the intention of it sounding like Timbaland doing grime - I listened to his beat on Bobby Valentino "Tell Me" and I went off in search of oriental tracks to sample.

As a DJ however I like to feel I represent as much of the full spectrum from grime to dubstep as possible.

auralassassin · Post by **auralassassin** » Tue May 09, 2006 1:04 am

Plastician never disappoints. Don't be held back by labels.

There are only 2 genre's of music... there is good and there is bad... which are you?

That's all that matters.

drawkafella · Post by **drawkafella** » Tue May 09, 2006 5:53 am

worst thread ever

grievous_angel · Post by **grievous_angel** » Tue May 09, 2006 7:53 am

drawkafella wrote:worst thread ever

Probably.

When nine dropped Prince, was that dubstep? What if he'd played Miles Davis? What about when DMZ drop old roots tunes? Are Iration Steppas dubstep? Is Burial dubstep? It's all old UKG samples isn't it? When 2000F does a banging dubstep tune that has a load of grime MCing over the top, is it not dubstep? When Forensics does ultra minimal stiff beat subz, is that dubstep? Is Pressure dubstep? Is the Bug?

Maybe dubstep "is" house music. Just as jungle "is" house music (because house is a feeling, and the early junglists were househeads, and some of them said, jungle "is" house). Maybe dubstep "is" reggae. Maybe it "is" primaeval rhythm and noise that's been part of human culture for 100,000 years... or maybe it's disco. (I'd say it's both!)

You can argue back and forth about these things and yet no good will come of it. But if we were to argue back and forth over the relative merit of the records and whether they work together in the mix then we might say something interesting and make some "progress".

forensix (mcr) · Post by **forensix (mcr)** » Tue May 09, 2006 7:56 am

am i not dubstep?

stupid thread

mrjiggyfly · Post by **mrjiggyfly** » Tue May 09, 2006 8:16 am

I see another ridiculous 10 pages worth of nonsense on the way

These threads are like crack, you just can't leave them alone!!

Oops, looks like I'm a crackhead as well

Carry on if you must

whitebait · Post by **whitebait** » Tue May 09, 2006 9:16 am

Grievous Angel wrote:
When nine dropped Prince, was that dubstep? What if he'd played Miles Davis? What about when DMZ drop old roots tunes? Are Iration Steppas dubstep? Is Burial dubstep? It's all old UKG samples isn't it? When 2000F does a banging dubstep tune that has a load of grime MCing over the top, is it not dubstep? When Forensics does ultra minimal stiff beat subz, is that dubstep? Is Pressure dubstep? Is the Bug?

you tell me?one thing I know is dubstep isn't house music or disco.Really the only opinions I'm interested in now is alex bkbk and blackdown. The haters can just piss off and start their own threads if all they are going to contribute is negativity

http://www.blackdownsoundboy.blogspot.com

"...too many DNB heads, too many IDM heads. ...The important thing i think is to remain quite strict with what is and isnt part of this scene."- alex bkbk

yeah but whenever anyone expresses these kind of sentiments publically all the toys fly out of the pram. it's laughable what people tag as dubstep these days... - blackdown

why does he feel it is important to remain strict and who decides what is and isn't part of this scene? What is some laughable examples tagged as dubstep these days? I don't often agree with DubMug but in this case his comment about protecting the cultural sanctity or whatever might be right.What's the worst that could happen by just letting producers run their course and decide if they are or not part of this scene?

alan · Post by **alan** » Tue May 09, 2006 9:27 am

wankers
wankers
wankers

all the dnb idm whatever the tnuc, heads, can fuck off and find some new trendy music to rape. if you like fun bass whomp music, stick about, but dont be a bloodclat and kill the sceen with your terrible dstep 101 tunes.

it would be nice if this didn't turn into a 10 page thread of your wortless opions on definning music.

skrimshank · Post by **skrimshank** » Tue May 09, 2006 9:29 am

fucks sake

whitebait · Post by **whitebait** » Tue May 09, 2006 9:33 am

alan wrote:wankers
wankers
wankers

all the dnb idm whatever the tnuc, heads, can fuck off and find some new trendy music to rape. if you like fun bass whomp music, stick about, but dont be a bloodclat and kill the sceen with your terrible dstep 101 tunes.

werd, unless they're actually quite good

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